Herefordshire Council coalition offer: Independent group will not respond until the end of the week at the earliest

Hereford Times: Independent group need more time to consider coalition offer. Independent group need more time to consider coalition offer.

HEREFORDSHIRE Council’s Independent group has just confirmed that it will not make a decision on the Tory offer of a coalition until the end of this week at the earliest.

That confirmation came from group leader Sebastian Bowen after a day of talks with the ruling Tory group.

“This is an important decision that we need to debate fully as a group, I intend that we take the necessary time needed for that debate,” said Coun Bowen.

It’s Our County rejected the Tory coalition offer on Friday.

The council is tied at 29-29 and controlled by the casting vote of its Tory chairman.

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9:04am Tue 3 Dec 13

Simon Brown says...

What with all the recent excitement about the Tories in Herefordshire losing their majority, and even the discomfiture of the Tories nationally, there has been a fairly regular commentary on blog sites about representation, voting patterns and the idea that the majority should have sway. What I am really referring to is Herefordshire Tories complaining that everyone should respect their majority and leave them alone to get on with their master plan.

I challenge this assumption, this factoid, this meme, as made and broadcast by the likes of Messrs. Butler and Bartup in the letters page of Hereford Times, and implied in Mr A W Johnson's wildly defiant missive of last week. It was wildly defiant because, although I of course agree that the majority should have sway, in this case they don't. The Tories in Herefordshire most very definitely do not form the majority of the voting population, they don't even have the majority of council seats, they have exactly half the seats, and fourteen of those were won on minority ballots because the opposition vote was split. Through the madness of our systems the party with the most seats, as distinct from the majority of seats, or the majority of votes, gets to form the so called cabinet. Today, 2 Dec 2013, that consists of six councillors. Yes, just six councillors, from fifty-eight! They are of course all Tories, selected by the ruling Tory party. That's how the system works. These six take all the decisions: in secret, if they fancy. The people who voted for all the other councillors excluded from the decision making process are, therefore, not represented at all. These excluded councillors can't even mount a decent opposition because quite simply, the cabinet is a dictatorship, a junta. Under this obnoxious system, even Tory councillors outside the cabinet are effectively denied an opinion, on their own council, and they don't even worry about it, at least, I have never heard anyone say anything to that extent! Perhaps it's because they are such dumb animals, such cannon fodder, they haven't the wit to enquire. “Why rock the trough in which you have your snout? What the hell has doing the right thing got to do with anything when you've got through the door to the club? Obey the rules of the clique or you'll get slung out. Always follow the mob to commit whatever the mob is committing, even if it's evil. You wouldn't like to be seen as a loner, a member of the awkward squad, now would you? You're a Tory and we stick together, like the proverbial to a blanket. Boris? Just an aberration. We don't tolerate that sort of dissent out here in the sticks. We're normal, traditional Tories. Proper Tories. We don't even have an equivalent of the 1922 Committee. No need for that sort of thing out here.” I can almost hear them chunter.

In other words, all the trappings of democracy: the free vote: universal suffrage: one man one vote: the secret ballot: the rules surrounding elections: the rules on funding, etc.etc. are pretty much all negated as soon as the election result is announced. We're superficially oh so democratic but when you get down to an examination of the actuality, it's as about as democratic as Putin's Russia. Given this decomposing, putrid, stinking, rancid system, which passes for democracy, we shouldn't be too dismissive of those in countries of lesser democratic distinction when they retort with “Kettle calling pot black” after some pompous British **** has told them they should be more like Great Britain, or “Herefordshire Here You Can bend democracy to any shape you like, as long as you go on calling it democracy and continually repeat the mantra “It's the system””.

At county level the cabinet system is anti democratic and the opposition must now demand its abolition. Its rotten corpse is a hazard to democratic health. The opposition has the moral authority to bury it. It has the moral duty to bury it. To pre-empt anyone who wishes to dismiss this reasoning by pointing out that central government is also run by cabinet I say “Yes, but central government is extremely sensitive to public opinion and consequently can be removed relatively easily, but the Herefordshire Council Cabinet has the skin of a rhino as well as a rhino's famed short-sightedness.


The irony is that when we given the chance of proportional representation we rejected it!
What with all the recent excitement about the Tories in Herefordshire losing their majority, and even the discomfiture of the Tories nationally, there has been a fairly regular commentary on blog sites about representation, voting patterns and the idea that the majority should have sway. What I am really referring to is Herefordshire Tories complaining that everyone should respect their majority and leave them alone to get on with their master plan. I challenge this assumption, this factoid, this meme, as made and broadcast by the likes of Messrs. Butler and Bartup in the letters page of Hereford Times, and implied in Mr A W Johnson's wildly defiant missive of last week. It was wildly defiant because, although I of course agree that the majority should have sway, in this case they don't. The Tories in Herefordshire most very definitely do not form the majority of the voting population, they don't even have the majority of council seats, they have exactly half the seats, and fourteen of those were won on minority ballots because the opposition vote was split. Through the madness of our systems the party with the most seats, as distinct from the majority of seats, or the majority of votes, gets to form the so called cabinet. Today, 2 Dec 2013, that consists of six councillors. Yes, just six councillors, from fifty-eight! They are of course all Tories, selected by the ruling Tory party. That's how the system works. These six take all the decisions: in secret, if they fancy. The people who voted for all the other councillors excluded from the decision making process are, therefore, not represented at all. These excluded councillors can't even mount a decent opposition because quite simply, the cabinet is a dictatorship, a junta. Under this obnoxious system, even Tory councillors outside the cabinet are effectively denied an opinion, on their own council, and they don't even worry about it, at least, I have never heard anyone say anything to that extent! Perhaps it's because they are such dumb animals, such cannon fodder, they haven't the wit to enquire. “Why rock the trough in which you have your snout? What the hell has doing the right thing got to do with anything when you've got through the door to the club? Obey the rules of the clique or you'll get slung out. Always follow the mob to commit whatever the mob is committing, even if it's evil. You wouldn't like to be seen as a loner, a member of the awkward squad, now would you? You're a Tory and we stick together, like the proverbial to a blanket. Boris? Just an aberration. We don't tolerate that sort of dissent out here in the sticks. We're normal, traditional Tories. Proper Tories. We don't even have an equivalent of the 1922 Committee. No need for that sort of thing out here.” I can almost hear them chunter. In other words, all the trappings of democracy: the free vote: universal suffrage: one man one vote: the secret ballot: the rules surrounding elections: the rules on funding, etc.etc. are pretty much all negated as soon as the election result is announced. We're superficially oh so democratic but when you get down to an examination of the actuality, it's as about as democratic as Putin's Russia. Given this decomposing, putrid, stinking, rancid system, which passes for democracy, we shouldn't be too dismissive of those in countries of lesser democratic distinction when they retort with “Kettle calling pot black” after some pompous British **** has told them they should be more like Great Britain, or “Herefordshire Here You Can bend democracy to any shape you like, as long as you go on calling it democracy and continually repeat the mantra “It's the system””. At county level the cabinet system is anti democratic and the opposition must now demand its abolition. Its rotten corpse is a hazard to democratic health. The opposition has the moral authority to bury it. It has the moral duty to bury it. To pre-empt anyone who wishes to dismiss this reasoning by pointing out that central government is also run by cabinet I say “Yes, but central government is extremely sensitive to public opinion and consequently can be removed relatively easily, but the Herefordshire Council Cabinet has the skin of a rhino as well as a rhino's famed short-sightedness. The irony is that when we given the chance of proportional representation we rejected it! Simon Brown

9:47am Tue 3 Dec 13

Mr.Herefordian says...

The Tory's are offering cabinet seats to the independents but will still hold power and I'm sure that one or two independents fancy a cabinet post with the nice little earner. I'm sure most independents would reject this offer, but being a independent group is not easy unlike a political party like IOC who generally agree and vote as one. A committee system perhaps only to the end of this council may be the best bet as all have a say and all have a vote.
The Tory's are offering cabinet seats to the independents but will still hold power and I'm sure that one or two independents fancy a cabinet post with the nice little earner. I'm sure most independents would reject this offer, but being a independent group is not easy unlike a political party like IOC who generally agree and vote as one. A committee system perhaps only to the end of this council may be the best bet as all have a say and all have a vote. Mr.Herefordian

10:20am Tue 3 Dec 13

Herefordian07 says...

Fantastic post Simon and I am sure your views are shared by many Herefordians who are totally disillusioned by the actions of this cabinet and therefore fail to vote because they feel it will not change a thing, sadly this just allows the ruling elite to continue in office with their arrogant pogroms. I do hope the indies do not fall for the flattering tongues of the tory serpents. As my late father used to say "The torture will continue until morale improves" How true!
Fantastic post Simon and I am sure your views are shared by many Herefordians who are totally disillusioned by the actions of this cabinet and therefore fail to vote because they feel it will not change a thing, sadly this just allows the ruling elite to continue in office with their arrogant pogroms. I do hope the indies do not fall for the flattering tongues of the tory serpents. As my late father used to say "The torture will continue until morale improves" How true! Herefordian07

5:51pm Tue 3 Dec 13

JollyJesterTwo says...

Well said Simon Brown ... As for the cabinet, off with their heads I say!
Well said Simon Brown ... As for the cabinet, off with their heads I say! JollyJesterTwo

11:39am Thu 5 Dec 13

Mr.Herefordian says...

Come on how much longer to give an answer? Or are some of them working out how much they can fill their pockets with for cabinet positions.
Come on how much longer to give an answer? Or are some of them working out how much they can fill their pockets with for cabinet positions. Mr.Herefordian

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