More than 400 people across the county caught dodging TV licence

First published in News

MORE than 340 people in Hereford were caught watching TV without a licence during 2012, according to figures from TV Licensing reveal.

In Leominster more than 90 people were found not to have paid the licence, in results recorded from January 2012 until last month.

Mark Whitehouse, TV licensing spokesman for the West Midlands, said: “In order to be fair to the law-abiding majority who do pay for their licence, we’ll continue to pursue the small minority of people who do not pay.”

Failure to pay for a licence could result in prosecution and fines of up to £1,000.

For more information on licensing requirements and ways to pay, visit tvlicensing.co.uk.

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9:29am Tue 26 Feb 13

mizza21 says...

I realise this is regurgitated from a press release from the UK TV Licensing, but I do not believe it.

I do not own a TV and I am not registered with them as not having a TV and have not had a visit from their enforcers.
Yet more scaremongering from the BBC's bully boys at Crapita.

It's a queer law, because you can own a telly but you only come under the communications act 2003 if you watch telly as it's broadcast.
So I could buffer it and watch it 2 minutes delayed and not come under the act.

TV Licensing is a Trading Psudonym of the BBC, which is a private company. We should not have to pay them because they are, whatever they say, political. Just look at their website.

I prefer not to have the cultural sewer of television in my house so let them come. They'll leave with flea in their well formed ears.
I realise this is regurgitated from a press release from the UK TV Licensing, but I do not believe it. I do not own a TV and I am not registered with them as not having a TV and have not had a visit from their enforcers. Yet more scaremongering from the BBC's bully boys at Crapita. It's a queer law, because you can own a telly but you only come under the communications act 2003 if you watch telly as it's broadcast. So I could buffer it and watch it 2 minutes delayed and not come under the act. TV Licensing is a Trading Psudonym of the BBC, which is a private company. We should not have to pay them because they are, whatever they say, political. Just look at their website. I prefer not to have the cultural sewer of television in my house so let them come. They'll leave with flea in their well formed ears. mizza21
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9:52am Tue 26 Feb 13

TwoWheelsGood says...

Mizza - I believe buffering is recording, and you would therefore require a license. They state 'You need to be covered by a valid TV Licence if you watch or record TV as it's being broadcast. This includes the use of devices such as a computer, laptop, mobile phone or DVD/video recorder.' However, you can watch 'catch-up' such as iPlayer, and not need a license. You won't be visited by the enforcers as their 'kit' won't register you watching a tv. A license in this day and age is an anachronism, the same as a car tax disc - the bureaucracy keeps thousands in paper shuffling jobs, no other reason for it. Taxes can be collected much more efficiently.
Mizza - I believe buffering is recording, and you would therefore require a license. They state 'You need to be covered by a valid TV Licence if you watch or record TV as it's being broadcast. This includes the use of devices such as a computer, laptop, mobile phone or DVD/video recorder.' However, you can watch 'catch-up' such as iPlayer, and not need a license. You won't be visited by the enforcers as their 'kit' won't register you watching a tv. A license in this day and age is an anachronism, the same as a car tax disc - the bureaucracy keeps thousands in paper shuffling jobs, no other reason for it. Taxes can be collected much more efficiently. TwoWheelsGood
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10:41am Tue 26 Feb 13

silentbull says...

What a complete rip -off the tv licence is and also its a con!!
-it all goes to the BBC
And it doesn't 'just' go towards tv programmes and their ever incresing channels oh no
it also goes towards local BBC radio(ALL OF THEM theres loads of em)
World service
And loads loads more
They 'we' employ thousands opon thousands of staff around the world
And they say SKY is expensive(at least you can stop paying if you dont like what you see)
What a complete rip -off the tv licence is and also its a con!! -it all goes to the BBC And it doesn't 'just' go towards tv programmes and their ever incresing channels oh no it also goes towards local BBC radio(ALL OF THEM theres loads of em) World service And loads loads more They 'we' employ thousands opon thousands of staff around the world And they say SKY is expensive(at least you can stop paying if you dont like what you see) silentbull
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10:49am Tue 26 Feb 13

Roger J says...

Yeah it's a private company who's shareholders want a dividend kindly provided by joe public.
Yeah it's a private company who's shareholders want a dividend kindly provided by joe public. Roger J
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11:50am Tue 26 Feb 13

Seventh says...

I have no idea why anyone would buy the TV licence these days. I stopped mine 2 years ago and have barely noticed.

My husband and I are mid-20s and we get everything we want to see legally online via 'catch-up' or Netflix, or we buy films and TV series on DVD.

There really isn't any need to watch TV as it's broadcast any more, much more convenient to watch what you like, when you like online!
I have no idea why anyone would buy the TV licence these days. I stopped mine 2 years ago and have barely noticed. My husband and I are mid-20s and we get everything we want to see legally online via 'catch-up' or Netflix, or we buy films and TV series on DVD. There really isn't any need to watch TV as it's broadcast any more, much more convenient to watch what you like, when you like online! Seventh
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1:22pm Tue 26 Feb 13

littlewhitebull says...

A friend of mine who has been totally blind for 25 years used to get very nasty letters from TV Licensing demanding to know why he didn't have a TV license. He wrote and informed them as he was blind he had no television and did not need a license. Letters became more threatening - even stating that a doorstep visit to check his house might be attempted. The letters stopped for a while then they started again. He just ignores them and nobody from TV Licensing has ever visited him.
The BBC obviously spends money wisely! Stars are paid fortunes. Even the huge number of executives still get paid enormous salaries.
A couple of years ago, I remember reading that over 30 staff received packages of over £250,000 a year.
Perhaps, in these difficult economic times, things have changed? I wonder.
A friend of mine who has been totally blind for 25 years used to get very nasty letters from TV Licensing demanding to know why he didn't have a TV license. He wrote and informed them as he was blind he had no television and did not need a license. Letters became more threatening - even stating that a doorstep visit to check his house might be attempted. The letters stopped for a while then they started again. He just ignores them and nobody from TV Licensing has ever visited him. The BBC obviously spends money wisely! Stars are paid fortunes. Even the huge number of executives still get paid enormous salaries. A couple of years ago, I remember reading that over 30 staff received packages of over £250,000 a year. Perhaps, in these difficult economic times, things have changed? I wonder. littlewhitebull
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3:24pm Tue 26 Feb 13

mizza21 says...

"Watch or Record as it's being broadcast" is the key phrase.

TWG you may be right about buffering but they'd have a hard time proving it.

I also don't believe they have kit which can detect you watching telly off of the internet even if it's "live".

We get those nasty threatening letters from Capita or their agents telling us the bailiffs will be popping round. They can't send registered bailiffs as there has been no court action, so the mugs they send round will be plain old nasty debt collectors.
If I get them then old and/or vulnerable people get them. Aunty Beeb can be rather nasty it would seem if you choose not to take part.

Anyone read 1984?
"Watch or Record as it's being broadcast" is the key phrase. TWG you may be right about buffering but they'd have a hard time proving it. I also don't believe they have kit which can detect you watching telly off of the internet even if it's "live". We get those nasty threatening letters from Capita or their agents telling us the bailiffs will be popping round. They can't send registered bailiffs as there has been no court action, so the mugs they send round will be plain old nasty debt collectors. If I get them then old and/or vulnerable people get them. Aunty Beeb can be rather nasty it would seem if you choose not to take part. Anyone read 1984? mizza21
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3:24pm Tue 26 Feb 13

megilleland says...

Yes I am amazed the number of times these celebrities get to go to the ends of the earth for their programmes, paid for by us. If they wanted to film someone picking their nose they would find an excuse to fly the entire film crew and stars to do this on some exotic caribbean island all expenses paid.
Yes I am amazed the number of times these celebrities get to go to the ends of the earth for their programmes, paid for by us. If they wanted to film someone picking their nose they would find an excuse to fly the entire film crew and stars to do this on some exotic caribbean island all expenses paid. megilleland
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3:27pm Tue 26 Feb 13

megilleland says...

TV Licence Man and Policeman are educated to what the LAW is:

http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=m1mjTjL6k
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TV Licence Man and Policeman are educated to what the LAW is: http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=m1mjTjL6k 1Q megilleland
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4:52pm Tue 26 Feb 13

Gillian1961 says...

I do not blame anyone that thinks they can get away with not having a TV Licence with all the cr.........p thats on the TV
I do not blame anyone that thinks they can get away with not having a TV Licence with all the cr.........p thats on the TV Gillian1961
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6:21pm Tue 26 Feb 13

ad47uk says...

Mark Whitehouse, TV licensing spokesman for the West Midlands, said: “In order to be fair to the law-abiding majority who do pay for their licence, we’ll continue to pursue the small minority of people who do not pay.” what he means is we will bug you and give you so much hassle that even if you don't need a Tv licence you will still end up paying as it is the easy option.

I don't have a TV licence, i use Netflix and DVDS/blu-ray for my video entertainment and have been doing so for nearly a year. so if Mark Whitehouse and his cronies want to come for a visit, do so, but I will not let you in.

By the way, what I am doing is 100% legal, i can even watch Iplayer if I wanted to as long as it is not live, but I don't

One of the better things I have done I get rid of the TV tax, just a shame the TVL think they are the law and act like little Hitlers.

In reply to mizza21, if you are buffering then that needs a licence as your equipment is still picking up live Tv to buffer.

Yep, as you know doubt guess, i hate the TVL.
Mark Whitehouse, TV licensing spokesman for the West Midlands, said: “In order to be fair to the law-abiding majority who do pay for their licence, we’ll continue to pursue the small minority of people who do not pay.” what he means is we will bug you and give you so much hassle that even if you don't need a Tv licence you will still end up paying as it is the easy option. I don't have a TV licence, i use Netflix and DVDS/blu-ray for my video entertainment and have been doing so for nearly a year. so if Mark Whitehouse and his cronies want to come for a visit, do so, but I will not let you in. By the way, what I am doing is 100% legal, i can even watch Iplayer if I wanted to as long as it is not live, but I don't One of the better things I have done I get rid of the TV tax, just a shame the TVL think they are the law and act like little Hitlers. In reply to mizza21, if you are buffering then that needs a licence as your equipment is still picking up live Tv to buffer. Yep, as you know doubt guess, i hate the TVL. ad47uk
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6:23pm Tue 26 Feb 13

ad47uk says...

Seventh wrote:
I have no idea why anyone would buy the TV licence these days. I stopped mine 2 years ago and have barely noticed.

My husband and I are mid-20s and we get everything we want to see legally online via 'catch-up' or Netflix, or we buy films and TV series on DVD.

There really isn't any need to watch TV as it's broadcast any more, much more convenient to watch what you like, when you like online!
That is what I do, but you bet your bottom dollar, if too manh people start doing it and the BBC starts losing too much money, their will get the government to bring out a media license all something stupid.
[quote][p][bold]Seventh[/bold] wrote: I have no idea why anyone would buy the TV licence these days. I stopped mine 2 years ago and have barely noticed. My husband and I are mid-20s and we get everything we want to see legally online via 'catch-up' or Netflix, or we buy films and TV series on DVD. There really isn't any need to watch TV as it's broadcast any more, much more convenient to watch what you like, when you like online![/p][/quote]That is what I do, but you bet your bottom dollar, if too manh people start doing it and the BBC starts losing too much money, their will get the government to bring out a media license all something stupid. ad47uk
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11:44pm Tue 26 Feb 13

Biomech says...

For everyones information and amusement :)

The TV enforces were in the Hereford area last month.

You should be paying for a licence if RECEIVING any LIVE transmission on ANY device. This means phones, computers, recording equipment.

You do NOT need a licence for watching video on demand - such as BBC iPlayer.

Failure to supply a licence when required puts you in contradiction of the Communications Act.

Acts of parliaments are not laws - watching a live broadcast without a licence is not a criminal offence. Acts of parliament require both parties to consent in order to become enforceable.

Whilst there is a very small fleet of "detector vans", they aren't equipped with anything - some people have reported them to be empty of full of cardboard boxes - and of course, in order to catch you out, they put a nice big sticker on the side telling you what it's about ;) ;)

Further, to detect a signal, it would have to detect an output signal, ie, your TV would have to be broadcasting - TV's don't broadcast. The BBC would also require (for all intents and purposes) a wiretap court order to snoop on you.

What they DO do, is look through the window. They will ask you enticing questions to get info out of you.

You can write to the BBC telling them that you are withdrawing their Implied Right to Access. If they then come to the door, they are in breach of this and considered tresspassing.

I'm sure you would all like to give this a look over;

http://www.bbctvlice
nce.com/ and this

http://tv-licensing.
blogspot.co.uk/
For everyones information and amusement :) The TV enforces were in the Hereford area last month. You should be paying for a licence if RECEIVING any LIVE transmission on ANY device. This means phones, computers, recording equipment. You do NOT need a licence for watching video on demand - such as BBC iPlayer. Failure to supply a licence when required puts you in contradiction of the Communications Act. Acts of parliaments are not laws - watching a live broadcast without a licence is not a criminal offence. Acts of parliament require both parties to consent in order to become enforceable. Whilst there is a very small fleet of "detector vans", they aren't equipped with anything - some people have reported them to be empty of full of cardboard boxes - and of course, in order to catch you out, they put a nice big sticker on the side telling you what it's about ;) ;) Further, to detect a signal, it would have to detect an output signal, ie, your TV would have to be broadcasting - TV's don't broadcast. The BBC would also require (for all intents and purposes) a wiretap court order to snoop on you. What they DO do, is look through the window. They will ask you enticing questions to get info out of you. You can write to the BBC telling them that you are withdrawing their Implied Right to Access. If they then come to the door, they are in breach of this and considered tresspassing. I'm sure you would all like to give this a look over; http://www.bbctvlice nce.com/ and this http://tv-licensing. blogspot.co.uk/ Biomech
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11:51pm Tue 26 Feb 13

Biomech says...

I also wanted to raise a point on economics as well but thought the previous post was getting a bit long :)

So to revist my HMV thoughts...

There is nothing but JUNK on TV now. Junk and repeats. When freeview was first released, it was designed to support 30 channels. Continually, the TV peoples have increased compression and dropped quality to stuff in more channels. Analogue would actual be a better quality image now. Even the HD service has had the bitrate reduced*

So the economics;

TV is crap, less people are watching TV, enforcing TV licences is archaic, expensive and uncontrollable.

More people are watch iPlayer (by March 2012 40% of adults were using iPlayer)

Here's my simple 3 step solution.

1. Scrap the TV licence.
2. Charge a monthly subscription for Video on Demand (iPlayer)
3. Look at that, it's so simple, there's not even a step three.
I also wanted to raise a point on economics as well but thought the previous post was getting a bit long :) So to revist my HMV thoughts... There is nothing but JUNK on TV now. Junk and repeats. When freeview was first released, it was designed to support 30 channels. Continually, the TV peoples have increased compression and dropped quality to stuff in more channels. Analogue would actual be a better quality image now. Even the HD service has had the bitrate reduced* So the economics; TV is crap, less people are watching TV, enforcing TV licences is archaic, expensive and uncontrollable. More people are watch iPlayer (by March 2012 40% of adults were using iPlayer) Here's my simple 3 step solution. 1. Scrap the TV licence. 2. Charge a monthly subscription for Video on Demand (iPlayer) 3. Look at that, it's so simple, there's not even a step three. Biomech
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9:44am Wed 27 Feb 13

WYSIATI says...

Taking something without paying used to be described as theft, evading tax is a crime, aggressive tax avoidance with put up schemes gets a load of grief from nearly everyone.

I personally would not want to be without the BBC.

I can't remember Sky doing much on the phone hacking scandal.

I don't like everything I hear on the BBC but it's universally seen around the world as the best informed, highest quality broadcaster and it's very good value compared to almost any other option.

If you don't watch any of it or listen to BBC on the radio or watch any channel 4 then no need to pay the licence fee.....
Taking something without paying used to be described as theft, evading tax is a crime, aggressive tax avoidance with put up schemes gets a load of grief from nearly everyone. I personally would not want to be without the BBC. I can't remember Sky doing much on the phone hacking scandal. I don't like everything I hear on the BBC but it's universally seen around the world as the best informed, highest quality broadcaster and it's very good value compared to almost any other option. If you don't watch any of it or listen to BBC on the radio or watch any channel 4 then no need to pay the licence fee..... WYSIATI
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10:55am Wed 27 Feb 13

Biomech says...

Exactly. And the problem is that this is a private company who are hounding the public for money even when they don't subscribe to what this company has to offer.

Imagine if..... Hereford Audi decided that , as a car owner, you had to pay them a yearly fee, whether you had an Audi or not. It's EXACTLY the same.

As a private company providing a paid for service, I feel they should be subject to the same rules and governed by Trading Standards. There is now a distinct lack of quality, and incorrectly biased opinion on the BBC. As well as product placement.

And even worse, you have pay the *BBC* if you watch ANY live TV - the other channels don't get a cut. So in the BBC are actually charging people for someone elses service/business - and that's just insanely wrong.
Exactly. And the problem is that this is a private company who are hounding the public for money even when they don't subscribe to what this company has to offer. Imagine if..... Hereford Audi decided that , as a car owner, you had to pay them a yearly fee, whether you had an Audi or not. It's EXACTLY the same. As a private company providing a paid for service, I feel they should be subject to the same rules and governed by Trading Standards. There is now a distinct lack of quality, and incorrectly biased opinion on the BBC. As well as product placement. And even worse, you have pay the *BBC* if you watch ANY live TV - the other channels don't get a cut. So in the BBC are actually charging people for someone elses service/business - and that's just insanely wrong. Biomech
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11:21am Wed 27 Feb 13

littlewhitebull says...

Quite agree, Biomech. What a load of drivel they produce and charge us for at enormous cost. Even if you don't want to watch BBC you still have to pay so they can 'invest' in so called stars and highly paid executives.
Does anybody know if any of those caught without a licence have been fined? I can't recall any reports in the media about huge fines being imposed.
Quite agree, Biomech. What a load of drivel they produce and charge us for at enormous cost. Even if you don't want to watch BBC you still have to pay so they can 'invest' in so called stars and highly paid executives. Does anybody know if any of those caught without a licence have been fined? I can't recall any reports in the media about huge fines being imposed. littlewhitebull
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1:03pm Wed 27 Feb 13

ad47uk says...

WYSIATI wrote:
Taking something without paying used to be described as theft, evading tax is a crime, aggressive tax avoidance with put up schemes gets a load of grief from nearly everyone.

I personally would not want to be without the BBC.

I can't remember Sky doing much on the phone hacking scandal.

I don't like everything I hear on the BBC but it's universally seen around the world as the best informed, highest quality broadcaster and it's very good value compared to almost any other option.

If you don't watch any of it or listen to BBC on the radio or watch any channel 4 then no need to pay the licence fee.....
i don't pay a licence, but i still listen to BBc world service now and again, something that is legal, in fact I can listen to any radio station I like including the BBc ones without paying, that is not a crime that is the way things are. I think I could live without the BBC and most of the time I do, time to do away with this TV tax that.

bloated broadcasting company
[quote][p][bold]WYSIATI[/bold] wrote: Taking something without paying used to be described as theft, evading tax is a crime, aggressive tax avoidance with put up schemes gets a load of grief from nearly everyone. I personally would not want to be without the BBC. I can't remember Sky doing much on the phone hacking scandal. I don't like everything I hear on the BBC but it's universally seen around the world as the best informed, highest quality broadcaster and it's very good value compared to almost any other option. If you don't watch any of it or listen to BBC on the radio or watch any channel 4 then no need to pay the licence fee.....[/p][/quote]i don't pay a licence, but i still listen to BBc world service now and again, something that is legal, in fact I can listen to any radio station I like including the BBc ones without paying, that is not a crime that is the way things are. I think I could live without the BBC and most of the time I do, time to do away with this TV tax that. bloated broadcasting company ad47uk
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1:24pm Wed 27 Feb 13

Biomech says...

littlewhitebull,

Yes! They do indeed take people to court. However, they do so by tricknig people into confessing. Once in court they generally fine you the licence plus court costs, so around £300-400. I don't believe anyone has been hit with the £1,000 - ever.

To pick up on Ad47uk's post there; the BBC broadcasts reach abroad to the continent - where you don't need a licence to receive it.
littlewhitebull, Yes! They do indeed take people to court. However, they do so by tricknig people into confessing. Once in court they generally fine you the licence plus court costs, so around £300-400. I don't believe anyone has been hit with the £1,000 - ever. To pick up on Ad47uk's post there; the BBC broadcasts reach abroad to the continent - where you don't need a licence to receive it. Biomech
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5:10pm Wed 27 Feb 13

wyesider says...

When I was in Scotland last November, I was astonished to read in The Daily Record, that Scottish courts have resorted to clamping cars to make people pay unpaid fines due to SCottish courts. These included a few people fined for not having TV Licences!
To get the car back, offenders had to pay the original fine and an extra charge of about £150.
If you didn't pay the car was taken to a pound, and the charges built up!
I should stress that not all cars clamped were for TV Licence evasion.
When I was in Scotland last November, I was astonished to read in The Daily Record, that Scottish courts have resorted to clamping cars to make people pay unpaid fines due to SCottish courts. These included a few people fined for not having TV Licences! To get the car back, offenders had to pay the original fine and an extra charge of about £150. If you didn't pay the car was taken to a pound, and the charges built up! I should stress that not all cars clamped were for TV Licence evasion. wyesider
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12:42am Thu 28 Feb 13

phuppetty says...

The BBC mission is to inform, educate and entertainment and the Charter details the six public purposes to that effect. Failure on all three elements I think! I also object to being ordered to help fund a corrupt, greedy, politically biased organisation that turned a blind eye to the goings on of Savile and his cohorts....
The BBC mission is to inform, educate and entertainment and the Charter details the six public purposes to that effect. Failure on all three elements I think! I also object to being ordered to help fund a corrupt, greedy, politically biased organisation that turned a blind eye to the goings on of Savile and his cohorts.... phuppetty
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9:52am Thu 28 Feb 13

mizza21 says...

WYSIATI
Sky is optional, however if I want SKY or Channel4 or ITV, I must buy a license to fund the BBC whether I choose to or not.

The BBC is the UK State Broadcaster.
The quality of the BBCs journalism is not particularly good. Phone hacking harms it's competitors, that's why they spent so much effort on it.

The BBC is not immune. From Dr David Kelly to Sir Jimmy Saville, the BBC has it's share of scandals.
The most digraceful of which was the failure to listen to the good old British Pubic about the name of the Blue Peter cat, when in an online poll the name Cookie was chosen, but they named it Socks anyway, causing another bout of hand-wringing and an on air apology.
That was when I changed my car presets from BBC stations to local Radio Stations, and I'll never change them back.
WYSIATI Sky is optional, however if I want SKY or Channel4 or ITV, I must buy a license to fund the BBC whether I choose to or not. The BBC is the UK State Broadcaster. The quality of the BBCs journalism is not particularly good. Phone hacking harms it's competitors, that's why they spent so much effort on it. The BBC is not immune. From Dr David Kelly to Sir Jimmy Saville, the BBC has it's share of scandals. The most digraceful of which was the failure to listen to the good old British Pubic about the name of the Blue Peter cat, when in an online poll the name Cookie was chosen, but they named it Socks anyway, causing another bout of hand-wringing and an on air apology. That was when I changed my car presets from BBC stations to local Radio Stations, and I'll never change them back. mizza21
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11:45am Thu 28 Feb 13

littlewhitebull says...

Mizza you have really upset me today!
I voted for Cookie and I had no idea the vote was 'fixed'. Your news has left me in a state of complete and utter shock.
Who can you trust these days?
I wish I had become a banker - although my wife says I am one - wonder what she means?
Mizza you have really upset me today! I voted for Cookie and I had no idea the vote was 'fixed'. Your news has left me in a state of complete and utter shock. Who can you trust these days? I wish I had become a banker - although my wife says I am one - wonder what she means? littlewhitebull
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7:53am Fri 1 Mar 13

WYSIATI says...

I don't think I said, or implied the BBC was perfect - there are bound to be mistakes made and they should do better.

And it may be that the way the BBC is funded needs to be updated - but at the moment the licence is the way that our elected Govt has decided to do it (I know representative democracy has its faults too but there we go) so finding schemes and scams to take things without paying is grubby in the main.

Political bias - I'd rather have the BBC being attacked for bias by whoever happens to be in power than the alternatives.

As far as I know it's not a private company and at least it has a charter to measure output against as opposed to either a simple profit first or do as the owner says motive.

It may be flawed as most things are but in my opinion we would be much the worse for losing it and many politicians would be delighted.
I don't think I said, or implied the BBC was perfect - there are bound to be mistakes made and they should do better. And it may be that the way the BBC is funded needs to be updated - but at the moment the licence is the way that our elected Govt has decided to do it (I know representative democracy has its faults too but there we go) so finding schemes and scams to take things without paying is grubby in the main. Political bias - I'd rather have the BBC being attacked for bias by whoever happens to be in power than the alternatives. As far as I know it's not a private company and at least it has a charter to measure output against as opposed to either a simple profit first or do as the owner says motive. It may be flawed as most things are but in my opinion we would be much the worse for losing it and many politicians would be delighted. WYSIATI
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12:42pm Fri 1 Mar 13

Biomech says...

WYSIATI, the BBC is a private corporation, it's details can be found on Companies House along with all other registered companies in the UK.

No one is particularly suggesting taking something without paying. The issue is that when people don't need a licence, they don't watch live TV or, in some cases, don't even own a TV, the BBC are persistent in harrassing and bullying people into paying.

Then, of course, there are the people that enjoy the other channels but don't subscribe to the "BBC Propaganda" - they are being forced to pay for a service they don't use and an opinion they don't want to hear.

It's akin to you being forced to pay an annual fee to listen to the Jesus preachers in town or, maybe, those pestering charity workers that stalk people in the high street - even if you are not interested and avoid contact with them.

And that, my friend, is simply just not right.
WYSIATI, the BBC is a private corporation, it's details can be found on Companies House along with all other registered companies in the UK. No one is particularly suggesting taking something without paying. The issue is that when people don't need a licence, they don't watch live TV or, in some cases, don't even own a TV, the BBC are persistent in harrassing and bullying people into paying. Then, of course, there are the people that enjoy the other channels but don't subscribe to the "BBC Propaganda" - they are being forced to pay for a service they don't use and an opinion they don't want to hear. It's akin to you being forced to pay an annual fee to listen to the Jesus preachers in town or, maybe, those pestering charity workers that stalk people in the high street - even if you are not interested and avoid contact with them. And that, my friend, is simply just not right. Biomech
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9:20pm Fri 1 Mar 13

WYSIATI says...

Biomech - I don't agree with harassment of people who don't need a licence - but suspect there are more that should have a licence who choose not to pay - a tough balance to get right as everyone else pays extra for them (around 5% of all due are not paid I think).

It's not a normal company - far from it - and importantly so. There are lots of things that I pay towards that I may not use directly but am glad they are there - University research, most health services, historical monuments, I could go on

I think they'll have to find a new way to fund it - but I think we would be significantly poorer without it.

I don't want to listen to and watch just those things I agree with - I know it's good for me to have other opinions to see and hear.
Biomech - I don't agree with harassment of people who don't need a licence - but suspect there are more that should have a licence who choose not to pay - a tough balance to get right as everyone else pays extra for them (around 5% of all due are not paid I think). It's not a normal company - far from it - and importantly so. There are lots of things that I pay towards that I may not use directly but am glad they are there - University research, most health services, historical monuments, I could go on I think they'll have to find a new way to fund it - but I think we would be significantly poorer without it. I don't want to listen to and watch just those things I agree with - I know it's good for me to have other opinions to see and hear. WYSIATI
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8:40pm Sat 2 Mar 13

dippyhippy says...

WYSIATI wrote:
Biomech - I don't agree with harassment of people who don't need a licence - but suspect there are more that should have a licence who choose not to pay - a tough balance to get right as everyone else pays extra for them (around 5% of all due are not paid I think).

It's not a normal company - far from it - and importantly so. There are lots of things that I pay towards that I may not use directly but am glad they are there - University research, most health services, historical monuments, I could go on

I think they'll have to find a new way to fund it - but I think we would be significantly poorer without it.

I don't want to listen to and watch just those things I agree with - I know it's good for me to have other opinions to see and hear.
Wysiati wrote-"I don't want to listen to and watch just those things I agree with-I know its good for me to have other opinions to see and hear"
Strongly agree with this.Its no bad thing to have pre-conceptions challenged,and to question our own closely held beliefs. Open your minds - it will amaze you!! Realise this has gone "off messege" a bit, but hey......
[quote][p][bold]WYSIATI[/bold] wrote: Biomech - I don't agree with harassment of people who don't need a licence - but suspect there are more that should have a licence who choose not to pay - a tough balance to get right as everyone else pays extra for them (around 5% of all due are not paid I think). It's not a normal company - far from it - and importantly so. There are lots of things that I pay towards that I may not use directly but am glad they are there - University research, most health services, historical monuments, I could go on I think they'll have to find a new way to fund it - but I think we would be significantly poorer without it. I don't want to listen to and watch just those things I agree with - I know it's good for me to have other opinions to see and hear.[/p][/quote]Wysiati wrote-"I don't want to listen to and watch just those things I agree with-I know its good for me to have other opinions to see and hear" Strongly agree with this.Its no bad thing to have pre-conceptions challenged,and to question our own closely held beliefs. Open your minds - it will amaze you!! Realise this has gone "off messege" a bit, but hey...... dippyhippy
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12:41am Sun 3 Mar 13

Biomech says...

Oh I agree, but I like to have at least both sides of the story, not just stuff that's been filtered. The BBC are supposed to be unbiased.
Oh I agree, but I like to have at least both sides of the story, not just stuff that's been filtered. The BBC are supposed to be unbiased. Biomech
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1:02pm Sun 3 Mar 13

dippyhippy says...

So we all agree ?? Happy Days indeed !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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So we all agree ?? Happy Days indeed !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ! dippyhippy
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