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FORMER Hereford United supremo Graham Turner has his fingers crossed that football will still be played at Edgar Street regardless of what happens at Monday's court hearing.

The ex-boss returned to the city on Sunday to manage a Mayor's XI side against the Hereford United Supporters Team.

"It's a disastrous period for the club," said Turner.

"All we can do is have our fingers crossed that in some shape or form the club is going to survive and continues at Edgar Street.

"Whether it survives as Hereford United 1939 Ltd or it becomes a phoenix club remains to be seen.

"A football club is an important part of the fabric of the city.

"There were a lot of supporters here and it means so much to them.

"They will be desperate for the club to survive in some form or another.

"I just cannot come to terms with what has happened to the club from the position we left it in.

"It is testing times for everybody."

The match at Hinton's Broomy Hill ground was watched by around 300 fans, including Hereford MP Jesse Norman and former Bulls director Dave Preedy.

Preedy even took part in a charity ice bucket challenge following the match to highlight Motor Neurone Disease.

The craze, which started in America, has been sweeping across social media.

It involves people having a bucket of iced cold water thrown over them, before donating to charity and nominating other people to take part in the challenge.

Former Hereford players Karl Broadhurst, Rob Elmes, Danny Williams, Simon Johnson and Gareth Davies all starred for Turner's side, but came unstuck to a rampant supporters' team.

Fans' favourite Wayne 'Superman' Brown had to pull out of the game due to a broken foot.

Johnson opened the scoring, before Luke Griffiths equalised via a deflected free-kick.

Wayne Milner, Lucas Kirby and former Hereford youth player Callum Brennan added second-half goals to ensure the supporters' team secured their first win.

More than £500 was raised for the Adam Stansfield Foundation, with further funds going towards the Mayor's Charity and Hereford United in the Community Trust.

A signed Wolverhampton Wanderers shirt, donated by Turner, went for £85, with Councillor Jim Kenyon snapping up a horse riding trip donated by Herefordshire trainer Venetia Williams.

Hereford United chairman Andy Lonsdale also provided a signed Lionel Messi Barcelona shirt.

Stansfield's sister Andrea Parkin said she was delighted with the turn-out.

"It was an honour to be there and I was really surprised by how many people came, it was fantastic," she said.

"Adam was very fond of Graham Turner when he was at Hereford, but I didn't get a chance to speak to him when he was there.

"So it was a a real honour to meet him because Adam spoke really highly of him."

Justin Ratcliffe, chairman of Hereford United Fundraising Working Group, said it was a day for the football community to come together.

"The key thing is that we are here to help and grow links with grassroots football," said Ratcliffe.

"We all know the well documented issues at Edgar Street , but this was an opportunity for fans to come together to show how football can raise money for good causes."

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8:16pm Thu 28 Aug 14

Mark Ryan HUISA Founder says...

You left it in a terrible state Turner and that's partly why we are where we are. Mark Ryan, Founder, HUISA
You left it in a terrible state Turner and that's partly why we are where we are. Mark Ryan, Founder, HUISA Mark Ryan HUISA Founder
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8:22pm Thu 28 Aug 14

Mark Ryan HUISA Founder says...

Graham Turner - no youth structure, took disproportionate money out of the club, dreadful influence on club. If the Phoenix fans want Turner, they must be even more stupid than they were to let their club get into this position without protest. HUISA was hijacked by fools. I pity the genuine football-lovers of Hereford. I have history with the club. West Ham 2-1 at home, Preston 4-3 away and Dixie's wonder-goal, Hartlepool 1-0 away when we had more players than fans. I was at Aldershot 2014. All great times. Please don't give Turner credibility. Mark Ryan. HUISA Founder.
Graham Turner - no youth structure, took disproportionate money out of the club, dreadful influence on club. If the Phoenix fans want Turner, they must be even more stupid than they were to let their club get into this position without protest. HUISA was hijacked by fools. I pity the genuine football-lovers of Hereford. I have history with the club. West Ham 2-1 at home, Preston 4-3 away and Dixie's wonder-goal, Hartlepool 1-0 away when we had more players than fans. I was at Aldershot 2014. All great times. Please don't give Turner credibility. Mark Ryan. HUISA Founder. Mark Ryan HUISA Founder
  • Score: -54

10:29pm Thu 28 Aug 14

Cendrick Smemt says...

What?

He went ten years without buying a player and managed to get Hereford into League One. The club achieved year on year profits - how many do that? You may say his influence was 'dreadful', but I'd say 'miraculous' is probably closer to the truth.
What? He went ten years without buying a player and managed to get Hereford into League One. The club achieved year on year profits - how many do that? You may say his influence was 'dreadful', but I'd say 'miraculous' is probably closer to the truth. Cendrick Smemt
  • Score: 43

10:37pm Thu 28 Aug 14

Mark Ryan HUISA Founder says...

He didn't buy because he relied on loans. Tell me, how do loans instead of strong youth policy safeguard the future of the club? I realise I'm going to have to listen to a bunch of complete idiots on here but I bet you weren't at the West Ham, Preston, Hartlepool and Aldershot games....just some revisionist half-wit. And that's why you've got no club. More hurtfully to me, that;s why I've got no club. You'd better follow someone with common sense very soon or you'll have no future club either. Mark Ryan HUISA Founder.
He didn't buy because he relied on loans. Tell me, how do loans instead of strong youth policy safeguard the future of the club? I realise I'm going to have to listen to a bunch of complete idiots on here but I bet you weren't at the West Ham, Preston, Hartlepool and Aldershot games....just some revisionist half-wit. And that's why you've got no club. More hurtfully to me, that;s why I've got no club. You'd better follow someone with common sense very soon or you'll have no future club either. Mark Ryan HUISA Founder. Mark Ryan HUISA Founder
  • Score: -43

10:55pm Thu 28 Aug 14

Mark Ryan HUISA Founder says...

As for anyone who wants to stop people saying goodbye to the Meadow End, it just means you never saw the great times at the Meadow End. I was too young to see over the little wall at the front when I first went. I'm 52 now. Go on. Just try stopping me if I want to say goodbye to my sacred terraces. Even the Phoenix fools talk about "redeveloping" the ends. Does anyone out there want the Meadow End to survive in tact? Any true fans out there? Or is it just the teenage bullies, the sad gits who never saw the Meadow End when you couldn't fit any more on there? Mark Ryan HUISA
As for anyone who wants to stop people saying goodbye to the Meadow End, it just means you never saw the great times at the Meadow End. I was too young to see over the little wall at the front when I first went. I'm 52 now. Go on. Just try stopping me if I want to say goodbye to my sacred terraces. Even the Phoenix fools talk about "redeveloping" the ends. Does anyone out there want the Meadow End to survive in tact? Any true fans out there? Or is it just the teenage bullies, the sad gits who never saw the Meadow End when you couldn't fit any more on there? Mark Ryan HUISA Mark Ryan HUISA Founder
  • Score: -40

10:48am Fri 29 Aug 14

Meadowender says...

Mark Ryan, stop it, you're clearly bitter about something and you're embarrassing yourself and the fans. We've all got history with the club, my grandad used to tell me about John Charles and my Dad reminisces about the old southern league days. I bore my kids with stories about Joe Laidlaw and Danny Bartley. Yes some of us have longer history than others which sometimes span generations but don't put down anyone who has a shorter history, they're as much the future of the club as anyone else providing they don't get sick of the poison that come from people like you.
Mark Ryan, stop it, you're clearly bitter about something and you're embarrassing yourself and the fans. We've all got history with the club, my grandad used to tell me about John Charles and my Dad reminisces about the old southern league days. I bore my kids with stories about Joe Laidlaw and Danny Bartley. Yes some of us have longer history than others which sometimes span generations but don't put down anyone who has a shorter history, they're as much the future of the club as anyone else providing they don't get sick of the poison that come from people like you. Meadowender
  • Score: 35

11:11am Fri 29 Aug 14

mizza21 says...

Mark Ryan.
I've only been a resident of Hereford since 2004.
I have only been watching HUFC regularly since about 2010. I am a baggie really as that is where my old man took me as a child and where I went prior to watching Hereford.
A corner of my heart now belongs to Hereford, so much so that I have given two of my children to the club. Yes they refer to HUFC as 'we'.
They'll be lifelong fans given the chance and talk the same talk you do probably.
They have the right to their opinions as much as you do.

On this basis I say, you don't own the Meadow end mate, it ain't for you to say what's best for the club. You have no more right to HUFC than my bin lids who get upset when they lose and happy when they win than anyone else.

For what it's worth I think the Meadow end should be kept as terracing, because it's vibrant and alive and loud and terracing is always better than seating to watch football. But it can't stay like it is.
If it's developed it should reflect the old terracing but it should be developed and any money ploughed back in to the club.
I used to sit in the Rainbow stand at the Hawthorns and loved it. The East stand which replaced it is much better
Change is good mate. Embrace it.

I haven't been taking my bin lids this season because of the current goings on, but I would love to start going again.
I don't trust em like a lot of people and would welcome a Phoenix club so long as they pledged to pay off the football debts to the little people.
HUFC 1939 Ltd is a Limited company.
Hereford United is the football club.
If the Limited Company folds, it ain't the end of the football club.
I hope.
Mark Ryan. I've only been a resident of Hereford since 2004. I have only been watching HUFC regularly since about 2010. I am a baggie really as that is where my old man took me as a child and where I went prior to watching Hereford. A corner of my heart now belongs to Hereford, so much so that I have given two of my children to the club. Yes they refer to HUFC as 'we'. They'll be lifelong fans given the chance and talk the same talk you do probably. They have the right to their opinions as much as you do. On this basis I say, you don't own the Meadow end mate, it ain't for you to say what's best for the club. You have no more right to HUFC than my bin lids who get upset when they lose and happy when they win than anyone else. For what it's worth I think the Meadow end should be kept as terracing, because it's vibrant and alive and loud and terracing is always better than seating to watch football. But it can't stay like it is. If it's developed it should reflect the old terracing but it should be developed and any money ploughed back in to the club. I used to sit in the Rainbow stand at the Hawthorns and loved it. The East stand which replaced it is much better Change is good mate. Embrace it. I haven't been taking my bin lids this season because of the current goings on, but I would love to start going again. I don't trust em like a lot of people and would welcome a Phoenix club so long as they pledged to pay off the football debts to the little people. HUFC 1939 Ltd is a Limited company. Hereford United is the football club. If the Limited Company folds, it ain't the end of the football club. I hope. mizza21
  • Score: 23

11:16am Fri 29 Aug 14

Indefatigabull says...

Well said Meadowender, I too was getting a bit fed up of Mark Ryan's vitriol. He's obviously got a historical problem with Graham Turner but clearly not with the current regime? A bit odd.
Well said Meadowender, I too was getting a bit fed up of Mark Ryan's vitriol. He's obviously got a historical problem with Graham Turner but clearly not with the current regime? A bit odd. Indefatigabull
  • Score: 24

11:21am Fri 29 Aug 14

petet25 says...

Turner was great for the club. As many others have said over the years... He was an expert when it came to using the loan system which allowed us to gain some top quality players who helped us get into league 1. Without those loans (such as the likes of hooper) we would never of seen league 1 and had some extra days of glory such as beating Leeds and thrashing Rochdale.

He did make a few mistakes such as appointing trewick which in turn gave some very bad on the pitch results and excuses that fan's were not happy with (Pointless excuses and mentions of black cats).

He can be blamed for appointing Keyte when he walked away but then again, i'm sure he would never have expected things to go the way they did.

Keyte was the 1 who appointed Davey, players were given long term league contracts with no relegation clause. Keyte budgeted for more fans to go to games than there realistically would have ever been (and then blamed the fans when the attendance numbers were low).

Turner did make a few mistakes but the person to blame for the demise of HUFC is indeed Keyte, he killed the club and like the coward he is has now gone into hiding
Turner was great for the club. As many others have said over the years... He was an expert when it came to using the loan system which allowed us to gain some top quality players who helped us get into league 1. Without those loans (such as the likes of hooper) we would never of seen league 1 and had some extra days of glory such as beating Leeds and thrashing Rochdale. He did make a few mistakes such as appointing trewick which in turn gave some very bad on the pitch results and excuses that fan's were not happy with (Pointless excuses and mentions of black cats). He can be blamed for appointing Keyte when he walked away but then again, i'm sure he would never have expected things to go the way they did. Keyte was the 1 who appointed Davey, players were given long term league contracts with no relegation clause. Keyte budgeted for more fans to go to games than there realistically would have ever been (and then blamed the fans when the attendance numbers were low). Turner did make a few mistakes but the person to blame for the demise of HUFC is indeed Keyte, he killed the club and like the coward he is has now gone into hiding petet25
  • Score: 13

11:22am Fri 29 Aug 14

Mark Ryan HUISA Founder says...

There is some truth in what you all say but I also have perspective. A bit more passion (you call it vitriol) and protest would have protected the club better over the years, believe me. I can't stand the new regime but anyone who wants to say goodbye to the Meadow End should not be intimidated. And the last thing a Phoenix club would need is Graham Turner, who didn't even seem interested in selling the advertising space around the ground if you'd care to remember. Not the man to lead or inspire a new club. Peter Beadle for me! PS I'd like to have heard those stories about John Charles!
There is some truth in what you all say but I also have perspective. A bit more passion (you call it vitriol) and protest would have protected the club better over the years, believe me. I can't stand the new regime but anyone who wants to say goodbye to the Meadow End should not be intimidated. And the last thing a Phoenix club would need is Graham Turner, who didn't even seem interested in selling the advertising space around the ground if you'd care to remember. Not the man to lead or inspire a new club. Peter Beadle for me! PS I'd like to have heard those stories about John Charles! Mark Ryan HUISA Founder
  • Score: -24

12:13pm Fri 29 Aug 14

Mark Ryan HUISA Founder says...

Questions for Turner fans:
1/ What protects the financial future of a club best? A strong youth policy or dependence on a loan system?
2/ What brings in money best? A lot of advertising around the ground or very little advertising?
3/ How much was Graham Turner paying himself?
4/ To whom did Turner sell the club?
5/ What debts still existed when Turner sold the club?
Questions for Turner fans: 1/ What protects the financial future of a club best? A strong youth policy or dependence on a loan system? 2/ What brings in money best? A lot of advertising around the ground or very little advertising? 3/ How much was Graham Turner paying himself? 4/ To whom did Turner sell the club? 5/ What debts still existed when Turner sold the club? Mark Ryan HUISA Founder
  • Score: -23

1:09pm Fri 29 Aug 14

Meadowender says...

Mark, the John Charles stories were great although I suspect his recollections were slightly rose tinted. For example, whilst JCs ability in the air was well documented, my Grandad would have me believe that he scored from every corner we ever had. Oddly though he would, on other occasions, wax lyrical about Charles' ability from a dead ball and that he took all the free kicks and corners both of which were unstoppable.

Also when Trevor Francis went to Forest for £1m the inevitable "what would John Charles be worth today" comments were immediate and I can hear him again now in the wake of the Di Maria fee.

Bet he won't take every corner and score from them as well like John did
Mark, the John Charles stories were great although I suspect his recollections were slightly rose tinted. For example, whilst JCs ability in the air was well documented, my Grandad would have me believe that he scored from every corner we ever had. Oddly though he would, on other occasions, wax lyrical about Charles' ability from a dead ball and that he took all the free kicks and corners both of which were unstoppable. Also when Trevor Francis went to Forest for £1m the inevitable "what would John Charles be worth today" comments were immediate and I can hear him again now in the wake of the Di Maria fee. Bet he won't take every corner and score from them as well like John did Meadowender
  • Score: 6

1:17pm Fri 29 Aug 14

ArmadilloSackRace says...

Mark Ryan HUISA Founder wrote:
As for anyone who wants to stop people saying goodbye to the Meadow End, it just means you never saw the great times at the Meadow End. I was too young to see over the little wall at the front when I first went. I'm 52 now. Go on. Just try stopping me if I want to say goodbye to my sacred terraces. Even the Phoenix fools talk about "redeveloping" the ends. Does anyone out there want the Meadow End to survive in tact? Any true fans out there? Or is it just the teenage bullies, the sad gits who never saw the Meadow End when you couldn't fit any more on there? Mark Ryan HUISA
You talk about Turner not Turner not safeguarding the future of the club, yet want to hold the club back by leaving a crumbling relic that will be unsafe to accommodate any crowd in the near future, rather than building something fit for purpose? Ok...

Your constant swipes at those not old enough to have been around when HUFC played West Ham etc, as if these people are not real supporters, shows you up for what you really are. Calling people 'sad gits' for not having seen "the Meadow End when you couldn't fit any more on there" is petty, and completely out of order.

So you're very proud to inform us over and over again that you were a founder of HUISA. Well you should be ashamed by what you allowed HUISA to become. If you cared as much as you claim on here then you would have fought to keep them independent and fighting for these beliefs that you claim to have on these comments. Expect this is the problem, you don't actually care that much other than to show how much you have a grudge against Graham Turner.

You should be embarrassed by how you're conducting yourself on here.
[quote][p][bold]Mark Ryan HUISA Founder[/bold] wrote: As for anyone who wants to stop people saying goodbye to the Meadow End, it just means you never saw the great times at the Meadow End. I was too young to see over the little wall at the front when I first went. I'm 52 now. Go on. Just try stopping me if I want to say goodbye to my sacred terraces. Even the Phoenix fools talk about "redeveloping" the ends. Does anyone out there want the Meadow End to survive in tact? Any true fans out there? Or is it just the teenage bullies, the sad gits who never saw the Meadow End when you couldn't fit any more on there? Mark Ryan HUISA[/p][/quote]You talk about Turner not Turner not safeguarding the future of the club, yet want to hold the club back by leaving a crumbling relic that will be unsafe to accommodate any crowd in the near future, rather than building something fit for purpose? Ok... Your constant swipes at those not old enough to have been around when HUFC played West Ham etc, as if these people are not real supporters, shows you up for what you really are. Calling people 'sad gits' for not having seen "the Meadow End when you couldn't fit any more on there" is petty, and completely out of order. So you're very proud to inform us over and over again that you were a founder of HUISA. Well you should be ashamed by what you allowed HUISA to become. If you cared as much as you claim on here then you would have fought to keep them independent and fighting for these beliefs that you claim to have on these comments. Expect this is the problem, you don't actually care that much other than to show how much you have a grudge against Graham Turner. You should be embarrassed by how you're conducting yourself on here. ArmadilloSackRace
  • Score: 23

1:19pm Fri 29 Aug 14

Mark Ryan HUISA Founder says...

Like it, thanks! I'd love to have seen John Charles play. I used the name Meadowender myself many moons ago and you are right, we all have our own memories and emotional attachments to the club and the terraces, never wanted to give the impression the Meadow End belonged to me, belongs to all of us obviously, one of the few things that never really changed in life in the last forty years (OK they built that little wall at the front in the summer of 73 if I'm not mistaken but there were only ever little changes....) Hope the Meadow End can be preserved somehow!
Like it, thanks! I'd love to have seen John Charles play. I used the name Meadowender myself many moons ago and you are right, we all have our own memories and emotional attachments to the club and the terraces, never wanted to give the impression the Meadow End belonged to me, belongs to all of us obviously, one of the few things that never really changed in life in the last forty years (OK they built that little wall at the front in the summer of 73 if I'm not mistaken but there were only ever little changes....) Hope the Meadow End can be preserved somehow! Mark Ryan HUISA Founder
  • Score: -16

1:26pm Fri 29 Aug 14

Mark Ryan HUISA Founder says...

ArmadilloSackRace, I didn't "let HUISA become" anything because we live in a democracy and others took HUISA in a direction I didn't want it to go. Not sure I can be blamed for that. We did get rid of a terrible regime run by Peter Hill and Robin Fry back in the day. HUISA had teeth back then. You are right that the younger fans are just as important if not more important, I just get angry because there is no strength of vision to take our club forward. And also I saw some of the younger fans singing anti-Semitic chants in the club bar towards the end of last season and that sickened me. Sorry if that has made me sound prejudiced in return against the younger fans who weren't doing that.
ArmadilloSackRace, I didn't "let HUISA become" anything because we live in a democracy and others took HUISA in a direction I didn't want it to go. Not sure I can be blamed for that. We did get rid of a terrible regime run by Peter Hill and Robin Fry back in the day. HUISA had teeth back then. You are right that the younger fans are just as important if not more important, I just get angry because there is no strength of vision to take our club forward. And also I saw some of the younger fans singing anti-Semitic chants in the club bar towards the end of last season and that sickened me. Sorry if that has made me sound prejudiced in return against the younger fans who weren't doing that. Mark Ryan HUISA Founder
  • Score: -16

1:30pm Fri 29 Aug 14

DaveyJonesLocker says...

Mark Ryan

Clearly hasnt got a clue what hes talking about

Davey Jones : HUFAMR Founder

(Hereford United Fans Against Mark Ryan)
Mark Ryan Clearly hasnt got a clue what hes talking about Davey Jones : HUFAMR Founder (Hereford United Fans Against Mark Ryan) DaveyJonesLocker
  • Score: 13

1:34pm Fri 29 Aug 14

ArmadilloSackRace says...

Mark Ryan HUISA Founder wrote:
ArmadilloSackRace, I didn't "let HUISA become" anything because we live in a democracy and others took HUISA in a direction I didn't want it to go. Not sure I can be blamed for that. We did get rid of a terrible regime run by Peter Hill and Robin Fry back in the day. HUISA had teeth back then. You are right that the younger fans are just as important if not more important, I just get angry because there is no strength of vision to take our club forward. And also I saw some of the younger fans singing anti-Semitic chants in the club bar towards the end of last season and that sickened me. Sorry if that has made me sound prejudiced in return against the younger fans who weren't doing that.
If HUISA went in a direction you didn't want it to go then why didn't you fight to do something about that? It seems from your comments that you just walked away, yet you criticise other people's sense of direction and will to take the club forward. you're a hypocrite and are blaming the wrong people.

I've experienced plenty of xenophobic and racist chanting/singing in my time, no doubt from your generation of supporters (I started going in 1988/89) but I don't tar you with the same brush as whoever was I heard. That's a terrible reason to have a dig at our younger supporters.
[quote][p][bold]Mark Ryan HUISA Founder[/bold] wrote: ArmadilloSackRace, I didn't "let HUISA become" anything because we live in a democracy and others took HUISA in a direction I didn't want it to go. Not sure I can be blamed for that. We did get rid of a terrible regime run by Peter Hill and Robin Fry back in the day. HUISA had teeth back then. You are right that the younger fans are just as important if not more important, I just get angry because there is no strength of vision to take our club forward. And also I saw some of the younger fans singing anti-Semitic chants in the club bar towards the end of last season and that sickened me. Sorry if that has made me sound prejudiced in return against the younger fans who weren't doing that.[/p][/quote]If HUISA went in a direction you didn't want it to go then why didn't you fight to do something about that? It seems from your comments that you just walked away, yet you criticise other people's sense of direction and will to take the club forward. you're a hypocrite and are blaming the wrong people. I've experienced plenty of xenophobic and racist chanting/singing in my time, no doubt from your generation of supporters (I started going in 1988/89) but I don't tar you with the same brush as whoever was I heard. That's a terrible reason to have a dig at our younger supporters. ArmadilloSackRace
  • Score: 12

1:35pm Fri 29 Aug 14

Mark Ryan HUISA Founder says...

Ha ha! Can I join?
Ha ha! Can I join? Mark Ryan HUISA Founder
  • Score: -6

1:40pm Fri 29 Aug 14

Mark Ryan HUISA Founder says...

On second thoughts, how about you focus on getting rid of the current regime? I've stayed well out of it and observed over the last few months...all I've seen from the fans is poor judgement calls, in-fighting and the club on the brink. Now people are seeing Graham Turner as some kind of saviour instead of part of the original problem. So if I don't know what I'm talking about in your eyes, fair enough, your opinion. but you lot haven't exactly made a brilliant job of protecting the club without me, have you?!
On second thoughts, how about you focus on getting rid of the current regime? I've stayed well out of it and observed over the last few months...all I've seen from the fans is poor judgement calls, in-fighting and the club on the brink. Now people are seeing Graham Turner as some kind of saviour instead of part of the original problem. So if I don't know what I'm talking about in your eyes, fair enough, your opinion. but you lot haven't exactly made a brilliant job of protecting the club without me, have you?! Mark Ryan HUISA Founder
  • Score: -14

1:47pm Fri 29 Aug 14

Mark Ryan HUISA Founder says...

Armadillo, I couldn't do anything about it because everyone was doing exactly the same as they are doing now. Rallying around Graham Turner! Talk about deja vu! Some people never learn. In the end fans get the kind of club they deserve by backing the wrong kind of people. And people like me can talk until we're blue in the face but if people don't listyen we end up exactly where we are now. Good luck with it!
Armadillo, I couldn't do anything about it because everyone was doing exactly the same as they are doing now. Rallying around Graham Turner! Talk about deja vu! Some people never learn. In the end fans get the kind of club they deserve by backing the wrong kind of people. And people like me can talk until we're blue in the face but if people don't listyen we end up exactly where we are now. Good luck with it! Mark Ryan HUISA Founder
  • Score: -14

2:21pm Fri 29 Aug 14

Meadowender says...

Mark, you claim credit for HUISA getting rid of Peter Hill so should we blame you and HUISA for what you consider to be failings of Peter Hill's successor in same way that you blame Turner for the failings of his successor?

My own view is that the day Hill was replaced by Turner was a very positive day in the club's history. Dare I say a 'Turn'ing point.
Mark, you claim credit for HUISA getting rid of Peter Hill so should we blame you and HUISA for what you consider to be failings of Peter Hill's successor in same way that you blame Turner for the failings of his successor? My own view is that the day Hill was replaced by Turner was a very positive day in the club's history. Dare I say a 'Turn'ing point. Meadowender
  • Score: 11

2:34pm Fri 29 Aug 14

Mark Ryan HUISA Founder says...

I didn't get rid of Peter Hill on my own the fans wanted something better and we were properly independent then as HUISA's name suggested. Turner was not as progressive as we'd hoped, he didn't seem to respect the supporters and their views when those views were independent of his own, in my view he didn't build the commercial/marketing side sufficiently, he went for the short-term loan players fix more than he backed local young players. So all in all there wasn't much hope of servicing the massive debt, was there? Didn't Keyte first hit trouble trying to deal with that? Keyte's behaviour and decision-making was inexcusable, the current regime is appalling. Please just get it right for the future Phoenix Club. Must be the fans' club, the fans finally showing what they can do. At Edgar Street. Meadow End preferably in tact!
I didn't get rid of Peter Hill on my own the fans wanted something better and we were properly independent then as HUISA's name suggested. Turner was not as progressive as we'd hoped, he didn't seem to respect the supporters and their views when those views were independent of his own, in my view he didn't build the commercial/marketing side sufficiently, he went for the short-term loan players fix more than he backed local young players. So all in all there wasn't much hope of servicing the massive debt, was there? Didn't Keyte first hit trouble trying to deal with that? Keyte's behaviour and decision-making was inexcusable, the current regime is appalling. Please just get it right for the future Phoenix Club. Must be the fans' club, the fans finally showing what they can do. At Edgar Street. Meadow End preferably in tact! Mark Ryan HUISA Founder
  • Score: -6

3:35pm Fri 29 Aug 14

Mark Ryan HUISA Founder says...

There is a clown on Bulls Banter called San Martino who is now telling us what a good judge of character Graham Turner was! Yes, San Martino...he really got Keyte's character spot on, didn't he? And Steve "Chalky" White? His departure was catastrophic. Turner took us out of the league for about nine years, remember? Finally left us where he found us - in League Two. How could I possibly have thought Hereford United deserved better and should aim for better? Yeah, my mistake. Great judge of character, Turner. You settled for mediocrity and now you haven't even got that. Well done.
There is a clown on Bulls Banter called San Martino who is now telling us what a good judge of character Graham Turner was! Yes, San Martino...he really got Keyte's character spot on, didn't he? And Steve "Chalky" White? His departure was catastrophic. Turner took us out of the league for about nine years, remember? Finally left us where he found us - in League Two. How could I possibly have thought Hereford United deserved better and should aim for better? Yeah, my mistake. Great judge of character, Turner. You settled for mediocrity and now you haven't even got that. Well done. Mark Ryan HUISA Founder
  • Score: -16

6:36pm Fri 29 Aug 14

Mark Ryan HUISA Founder says...

There is a little school-boy-style creep called Bullrush who boasts on Bulls Banter that he has reported all my posts "just to be annoying to be honest"...anyone grown up out there? Another big-boy sniper called Jonny Dangerous seems to have a personal logo of the star dragon from "How To Train Your Dragon."
I weep for my club if the trend-setters are malicious little children. Truly pathetic. Can we get back to having a great fan-based club for the future? Run by intelligent adults? Hopefully entirely free of Graham Turner?
There is a little school-boy-style creep called Bullrush who boasts on Bulls Banter that he has reported all my posts "just to be annoying to be honest"...anyone grown up out there? Another big-boy sniper called Jonny Dangerous seems to have a personal logo of the star dragon from "How To Train Your Dragon." I weep for my club if the trend-setters are malicious little children. Truly pathetic. Can we get back to having a great fan-based club for the future? Run by intelligent adults? Hopefully entirely free of Graham Turner? Mark Ryan HUISA Founder
  • Score: -10

6:43pm Fri 29 Aug 14

Mark Ryan HUISA Founder says...

Anyone still in favour of freedom of speech? I understand that anti-Jewish songs were socially acceptable at the club bar towards the end of last season because I witnessed it, but is there anyone out there with passion for the club with no prejudice against any minority who has the guts to take a new club forward for next season at whatever level? No Turner-style loan signings? No big personal salary? Someone who just loves the history of the club? Who has a vision for the new team? Just spirited youngsters and a few old'uns to show them the way? Energy and unity. Are you able?
Anyone still in favour of freedom of speech? I understand that anti-Jewish songs were socially acceptable at the club bar towards the end of last season because I witnessed it, but is there anyone out there with passion for the club with no prejudice against any minority who has the guts to take a new club forward for next season at whatever level? No Turner-style loan signings? No big personal salary? Someone who just loves the history of the club? Who has a vision for the new team? Just spirited youngsters and a few old'uns to show them the way? Energy and unity. Are you able? Mark Ryan HUISA Founder
  • Score: -6

6:51pm Fri 29 Aug 14

Mark Ryan HUISA Founder says...

I'm laughing now! A bloke who hides behind the pseudonym Fownhope Bull but doesn't have the guts to reveal his real name now accuses me of cowardice???!!!! Glad you won't feel left out now mate! I know you are winding me up about HUISA because anyone who knows the history of HUISA knows I was heavily outvoted (just like today) and I would have had to be something akin to Stalin or Hitler to ignore the surge towards stupidity at the time. Suggest you ask Mike "The Cult" Quarrell or Andy "Not Me Mate" Graham if you want to study the decline of Huisa into true brown-noserdom? My conscience is clear thanks.
I'm laughing now! A bloke who hides behind the pseudonym Fownhope Bull but doesn't have the guts to reveal his real name now accuses me of cowardice???!!!! Glad you won't feel left out now mate! I know you are winding me up about HUISA because anyone who knows the history of HUISA knows I was heavily outvoted (just like today) and I would have had to be something akin to Stalin or Hitler to ignore the surge towards stupidity at the time. Suggest you ask Mike "The Cult" Quarrell or Andy "Not Me Mate" Graham if you want to study the decline of Huisa into true brown-noserdom? My conscience is clear thanks. Mark Ryan HUISA Founder
  • Score: -7

6:58pm Fri 29 Aug 14

Mark Ryan HUISA Founder says...

Hey Fishlock, having followed Bulls Banter quietly for months I thought it was you who made yourself out to be a complete and utter idiot over the last year? Aren't you the only bloke more hated than me? At least have a laugh and recognise a kindred (if more intelligent and perceptive) spirit instead of slagging me off? Bulls Banter has been totally boring for ages at least I've shaken you load of incestuous inert gossipers up a bit!
Hey Fishlock, having followed Bulls Banter quietly for months I thought it was you who made yourself out to be a complete and utter idiot over the last year? Aren't you the only bloke more hated than me? At least have a laugh and recognise a kindred (if more intelligent and perceptive) spirit instead of slagging me off? Bulls Banter has been totally boring for ages at least I've shaken you load of incestuous inert gossipers up a bit! Mark Ryan HUISA Founder
  • Score: -7

7:03pm Fri 29 Aug 14

Mark Ryan HUISA Founder says...

Greetings Alex! What's the surname mister timid? Go on, be brave. You know my surname! Am I not sticking to my principles even now? Have I not taken enough stick today for you to believe that? But a club isn't one fan is it? Neither you, nor me. And of course Turner lived in Fownhope didn't he? No prizes for guessing the allegiance then! At least we are having an honest exchange. Beats some of the stuff that's gone on recently and we both love the same club if you had forgotten!
Greetings Alex! What's the surname mister timid? Go on, be brave. You know my surname! Am I not sticking to my principles even now? Have I not taken enough stick today for you to believe that? But a club isn't one fan is it? Neither you, nor me. And of course Turner lived in Fownhope didn't he? No prizes for guessing the allegiance then! At least we are having an honest exchange. Beats some of the stuff that's gone on recently and we both love the same club if you had forgotten! Mark Ryan HUISA Founder
  • Score: -2

7:08pm Fri 29 Aug 14

Mark Ryan HUISA Founder says...

Evening San Martino. You call me a coward but don't give your real name? Oh dear. But in truth I don't have a grudge against any of you outspoken fans except Bullrush who doesn't believe in freedom of speech, apparently and shops people "to be annoying." Is that in the spirit of Bulls Banter? As for the rest, I've got a thick skin as I've shown by still being in dialogue. Just sort the future out between you PLEASE!!!!!
Evening San Martino. You call me a coward but don't give your real name? Oh dear. But in truth I don't have a grudge against any of you outspoken fans except Bullrush who doesn't believe in freedom of speech, apparently and shops people "to be annoying." Is that in the spirit of Bulls Banter? As for the rest, I've got a thick skin as I've shown by still being in dialogue. Just sort the future out between you PLEASE!!!!! Mark Ryan HUISA Founder
  • Score: -2

7:15pm Fri 29 Aug 14

Mark Ryan HUISA Founder says...

Hello Somnabulist I've been reading you and the others for some time and take your point and obviously yuo all have a future in the club but for God's sake Peter had a great youth philosophy and organised the lads brilliantly for the last two games why wouldn't people not be begging him instead of Mr Loan Obsession Turner to take a Phoenix Club forward? I don't understand I'm just a bad-tempered middle-aged bitter old **** but I've had great times with Hereford United and I wouldn't mind a few more!
Hello Somnabulist I've been reading you and the others for some time and take your point and obviously yuo all have a future in the club but for God's sake Peter had a great youth philosophy and organised the lads brilliantly for the last two games why wouldn't people not be begging him instead of Mr Loan Obsession Turner to take a Phoenix Club forward? I don't understand I'm just a bad-tempered middle-aged bitter old **** but I've had great times with Hereford United and I wouldn't mind a few more! Mark Ryan HUISA Founder
  • Score: -3

7:17pm Fri 29 Aug 14

Mac1961 says...

Mark Ryan HUISA Founder wrote:
Evening San Martino. You call me a coward but don't give your real name? Oh dear. But in truth I don't have a grudge against any of you outspoken fans except Bullrush who doesn't believe in freedom of speech, apparently and shops people "to be annoying." Is that in the spirit of Bulls Banter? As for the rest, I've got a thick skin as I've shown by still being in dialogue. Just sort the future out between you PLEASE!!!!!
Mark, why not get involved and be a part of the clubs future?
[quote][p][bold]Mark Ryan HUISA Founder[/bold] wrote: Evening San Martino. You call me a coward but don't give your real name? Oh dear. But in truth I don't have a grudge against any of you outspoken fans except Bullrush who doesn't believe in freedom of speech, apparently and shops people "to be annoying." Is that in the spirit of Bulls Banter? As for the rest, I've got a thick skin as I've shown by still being in dialogue. Just sort the future out between you PLEASE!!!!![/p][/quote]Mark, why not get involved and be a part of the clubs future? Mac1961
  • Score: 2

7:17pm Fri 29 Aug 14

Mark Ryan HUISA Founder says...

Dynamo Moocow disgraceful not to have a Hereford Bull on your logo and yes I have clearly cracked up because I am still talking to you idiots when I should be getting ready to go out.
Dynamo Moocow disgraceful not to have a Hereford Bull on your logo and yes I have clearly cracked up because I am still talking to you idiots when I should be getting ready to go out. Mark Ryan HUISA Founder
  • Score: -2

7:25pm Fri 29 Aug 14

Mark Ryan HUISA Founder says...

Hey Mac1961, Thanks I'll be a part of it but I've probably proved again today that whatever I say - even if it is correct - people just go the opposite way. As in the late 1990s, so it is now. I swear to God we wouldn't be in this mess if people had listened but admittedly I'm rather hard to tone down. We'll get to where we need to be between us all if we stop fighting I dare say. Andy Graham, my fellow HUISA founder, is much more diplomatic. (Too diplomatic in my opinion!)
Hey Mac1961, Thanks I'll be a part of it but I've probably proved again today that whatever I say - even if it is correct - people just go the opposite way. As in the late 1990s, so it is now. I swear to God we wouldn't be in this mess if people had listened but admittedly I'm rather hard to tone down. We'll get to where we need to be between us all if we stop fighting I dare say. Andy Graham, my fellow HUISA founder, is much more diplomatic. (Too diplomatic in my opinion!) Mark Ryan HUISA Founder
  • Score: 1

7:31pm Fri 29 Aug 14

Mark Ryan HUISA Founder says...

Yes I'm a very sad man you lot....sad to still love Hereford United like you idiots! But maybe not sad enough to do this all evening....cheers lads it has been fun. Tweet me at @markryanwriter if you want to keep the banter going, maybe we can actually get it to a reasonably good-natured level? Otherwise, see you at a game some time....when we've got a proper club again.
Yes I'm a very sad man you lot....sad to still love Hereford United like you idiots! But maybe not sad enough to do this all evening....cheers lads it has been fun. Tweet me at @markryanwriter if you want to keep the banter going, maybe we can actually get it to a reasonably good-natured level? Otherwise, see you at a game some time....when we've got a proper club again. Mark Ryan HUISA Founder
  • Score: -2

7:32pm Fri 29 Aug 14

Mac1961 says...

Mark Ryan HUISA Founder wrote:
Hey Mac1961, Thanks I'll be a part of it but I've probably proved again today that whatever I say - even if it is correct - people just go the opposite way. As in the late 1990s, so it is now. I swear to God we wouldn't be in this mess if people had listened but admittedly I'm rather hard to tone down. We'll get to where we need to be between us all if we stop fighting I dare say. Andy Graham, my fellow HUISA founder, is much more diplomatic. (Too diplomatic in my opinion!)
Probably not what you say, but the way you say it. Having a pop at fellow HUFC supporters certainly isn't diplomatic. Especially regarding GT, who i'm sure has no interest in leading a possible future club, even if he was begged to, which i'm equally sure he hasn't.
[quote][p][bold]Mark Ryan HUISA Founder[/bold] wrote: Hey Mac1961, Thanks I'll be a part of it but I've probably proved again today that whatever I say - even if it is correct - people just go the opposite way. As in the late 1990s, so it is now. I swear to God we wouldn't be in this mess if people had listened but admittedly I'm rather hard to tone down. We'll get to where we need to be between us all if we stop fighting I dare say. Andy Graham, my fellow HUISA founder, is much more diplomatic. (Too diplomatic in my opinion!)[/p][/quote]Probably not what you say, but the way you say it. Having a pop at fellow HUFC supporters certainly isn't diplomatic. Especially regarding GT, who i'm sure has no interest in leading a possible future club, even if he was begged to, which i'm equally sure he hasn't. Mac1961
  • Score: 8

7:45pm Fri 29 Aug 14

Mark Ryan HUISA Founder says...

Fair one Mac1961, you are not the first to have said it! Have a great weekend. Mark
Fair one Mac1961, you are not the first to have said it! Have a great weekend. Mark Mark Ryan HUISA Founder
  • Score: -5

9:32pm Fri 29 Aug 14

ArmadilloSackRace says...

To anyone reading this who doesn't know what Bulls Banter is you must look like even more of a fruit-loop than you actually are. Which is saying something.
To anyone reading this who doesn't know what Bulls Banter is you must look like even more of a fruit-loop than you actually are. Which is saying something. ArmadilloSackRace
  • Score: 3

10:17am Tue 16 Sep 14

GonzoX says...

First time I have ever ever posted on here, or anywhere similar...

The first game I ever saw was at Edgar Street. After that I pestered my dad into getting me a season ticket, despite the fact we lived miles away and rarely could get to home games. I have had a soft spot for the Bulls ever since and have followed them from afar (I live in Central America currently) and it breaks my heart to see the club in this state.

I often daydream of the club being ´saved´and getting back to where it belongs - and by that I mean playing in the division it deserves to be in based on football performances, not greedy, cynical, selfish business decisions.

I was lucky enough to see Hereford play and win last year against Telford at home. Awful match, but was just pleased to be there. I spent the last day of the season streaming one game on my computer, while listening to Hereford´s game on BBC local radio and I confess I went absoloutely bananas when we turned it all around in the space of sixty seconds. I could barely have been happier.

Since then I have followed with dismay, sick to the pit of my stomach, the way that incompetents (Keyte and co.) sold the club to criminals, who have manipulated, and essentially been enabled to ignore, all of the supposed ´rules´to stop something like this from happening.

And now I find myself almost pleased that Hereford, my team, our team, lost in the FA Cup just because it means the current "oweners" (whoever they claim to be this week!) might be starved out slightly sooner. That way a new board or phoenix club can take over. Like many people, it seems only a fan-led club is the answer now...

And here is the real problem. THE FANS! Reading the drivel on here has driven me to write this. A collection of the very people who are supposedly Hereford fans, some of whom seem to have been influential in the past when I was just a boy on the terraces. And all you can do is snipe and criticise, abuse one another and spin different versions of our common history!!!

What hope a fan-led club when even the fans are so divided?!

It broke my heart to see Hereford slowly dying at the hands of the current criminals in charge. But it makes me angry to see the poison emanating from the very people who are supposed to be the ones who love the club and have the duty to save whatever is left of it!

This was supposed to be our club, our community, our shared Saturday afternoons and weekday evenings, our joint love!

Ego and greed have killed it.

Tragically the ego does not stop at the boardroom, it seemingly stretches all the way to the terraces where I took my first steps into football support, onto various internet forums and blogs, and worst of all even into the various very fans groups who are meant to be rescuing and liberating us.

Shame on you!!

As a final sidenote, regarding Turner, everyone should accept the good and the bad. He was at the helm when we went down and there were dark times before we finally got back up. Its easy to have rose tinted glasses, especially given the current situation. Turner has to carry responsibility for those wilderness years, apart from anything else as chairman/manager who else is there to take responsibility?! Moreover, he left the club in debt, albeit this debt was manageable.

However, he also gave us the very best of times that many of us have seen in our lifetimes at the Bulls, and likely will ever see at Edgar Street given the hole we are in now! A hole which we may never escape from. He kept Hereford afloat, despite relegation and a long soujorn in the conference, long before the days of serious TV interest in the Conference or increased Premier League TV trickle-down payments. He tried to play better football than might be the norm at this level, and ultimately he gave us two promotions and the chance to see excellent players in the flesh, week in week out.

I was there when we beat Leeds. The sad thing is that it was not even a long time ago! People can debate youth development vs loan system. I am no expert on ground advertising and I am not privvy to the club´s financial records. As a comparison to little Hereford, Crystal Palace have an excellent record of developing young players, as well as one of the largest and best catchment areas in the UK. They have been near bankruptcy at least twice in recent years, despite Premier League revenues!

Like anything, there needs to be a mix of homegrown development and intelligent loan signings. Apart from anything else, a community club MUST develop players and contribute to the community itself.

At the same time, who wants to watch sub-standard local players under-achieve while the best player each year is sold for a relative pittance when there is the possibility of bringing in top class talent, even if just in the short term? Given our players are usually only on one year contracts, what exactly is difference between that and a one-year loan deal anyway?!

What I can say, as a fan and a lover of Hereford United is that I was a great deal happier and more excited watching the likes of Gary Hooper, Sherjil McDonald, Lionel Ainsworth et al. even if it was only for a season of two; than I was when I was watching Greg Downs lead us to yet another season of lower Division Three anonymity!

Our Club is Hereford United. The lack of unity from such a number of people whose only reason to ever interact with one another is our shared love of Our Club is ultimately devastating. Both for me and for Our Club! If we do not heal, put aside our egos, and re-unite, then we have no club. Because we have no "WE".

I fear the death knell for Hereford will, in the end, not be Keyte or agombar or Turner or relegation or HMRC or the idiots at the Council. At the end, it will probably be this continued in-fighting. What a loss!
First time I have ever ever posted on here, or anywhere similar... The first game I ever saw was at Edgar Street. After that I pestered my dad into getting me a season ticket, despite the fact we lived miles away and rarely could get to home games. I have had a soft spot for the Bulls ever since and have followed them from afar (I live in Central America currently) and it breaks my heart to see the club in this state. I often daydream of the club being ´saved´and getting back to where it belongs - and by that I mean playing in the division it deserves to be in based on football performances, not greedy, cynical, selfish business decisions. I was lucky enough to see Hereford play and win last year against Telford at home. Awful match, but was just pleased to be there. I spent the last day of the season streaming one game on my computer, while listening to Hereford´s game on BBC local radio and I confess I went absoloutely bananas when we turned it all around in the space of sixty seconds. I could barely have been happier. Since then I have followed with dismay, sick to the pit of my stomach, the way that incompetents (Keyte and co.) sold the club to criminals, who have manipulated, and essentially been enabled to ignore, all of the supposed ´rules´to stop something like this from happening. And now I find myself almost pleased that Hereford, my team, our team, lost in the FA Cup just because it means the current "oweners" (whoever they claim to be this week!) might be starved out slightly sooner. That way a new board or phoenix club can take over. Like many people, it seems only a fan-led club is the answer now... And here is the real problem. THE FANS! Reading the drivel on here has driven me to write this. A collection of the very people who are supposedly Hereford fans, some of whom seem to have been influential in the past when I was just a boy on the terraces. And all you can do is snipe and criticise, abuse one another and spin different versions of our common history!!! What hope a fan-led club when even the fans are so divided?! It broke my heart to see Hereford slowly dying at the hands of the current criminals in charge. But it makes me angry to see the poison emanating from the very people who are supposed to be the ones who love the club and have the duty to save whatever is left of it! This was supposed to be our club, our community, our shared Saturday afternoons and weekday evenings, our joint love! Ego and greed have killed it. Tragically the ego does not stop at the boardroom, it seemingly stretches all the way to the terraces where I took my first steps into football support, onto various internet forums and blogs, and worst of all even into the various very fans groups who are meant to be rescuing and liberating us. Shame on you!! As a final sidenote, regarding Turner, everyone should accept the good and the bad. He was at the helm when we went down and there were dark times before we finally got back up. Its easy to have rose tinted glasses, especially given the current situation. Turner has to carry responsibility for those wilderness years, apart from anything else as chairman/manager who else is there to take responsibility?! Moreover, he left the club in debt, albeit this debt was manageable. However, he also gave us the very best of times that many of us have seen in our lifetimes at the Bulls, and likely will ever see at Edgar Street given the hole we are in now! A hole which we may never escape from. He kept Hereford afloat, despite relegation and a long soujorn in the conference, long before the days of serious TV interest in the Conference or increased Premier League TV trickle-down payments. He tried to play better football than might be the norm at this level, and ultimately he gave us two promotions and the chance to see excellent players in the flesh, week in week out. I was there when we beat Leeds. The sad thing is that it was not even a long time ago! People can debate youth development vs loan system. I am no expert on ground advertising and I am not privvy to the club´s financial records. As a comparison to little Hereford, Crystal Palace have an excellent record of developing young players, as well as one of the largest and best catchment areas in the UK. They have been near bankruptcy at least twice in recent years, despite Premier League revenues! Like anything, there needs to be a mix of homegrown development and intelligent loan signings. Apart from anything else, a community club MUST develop players and contribute to the community itself. At the same time, who wants to watch sub-standard local players under-achieve while the best player each year is sold for a relative pittance when there is the possibility of bringing in top class talent, even if just in the short term? Given our players are usually only on one year contracts, what exactly is difference between that and a one-year loan deal anyway?! What I can say, as a fan and a lover of Hereford United is that I was a great deal happier and more excited watching the likes of Gary Hooper, Sherjil McDonald, Lionel Ainsworth et al. even if it was only for a season of two; than I was when I was watching Greg Downs lead us to yet another season of lower Division Three anonymity! Our Club is Hereford United. The lack of unity from such a number of people whose only reason to ever interact with one another is our shared love of Our Club is ultimately devastating. Both for me and for Our Club! If we do not heal, put aside our egos, and re-unite, then we have no club. Because we have no "WE". I fear the death knell for Hereford will, in the end, not be Keyte or agombar or Turner or relegation or HMRC or the idiots at the Council. At the end, it will probably be this continued in-fighting. What a loss! GonzoX
  • Score: 0

1:44pm Tue 16 Sep 14

Mark Ryan HUISA Founder says...

GonzoX, you talk plenty of sense but what you call "ego" is in fact extreme emotion born of the amount of time and effort some of us spent trying to get the club in the right direction in the late nineties. Unless you have personally put so much time and effort in, I'm not sure you can criticise in the way you do. I for one would be delighted to see a fan-led club at Edgar Street as long as the fans understand what it is to make firm foundations - youth system, commercial and communications aspects handled properly. Not blagging it with loan signings. You bemoan the state the club is in but you fail to recognise how the club ended up in this state. I share some of your concerns about in-fighting but believe me if the fans are getting it right I couldn't give a **** if I'm involved or not from an "ego" point of view. i have been going to Edgar Street "anonymously" with a low profile for most of this century. Hardly ego at work! For all that I share your passion, hear your argument and wish you well.
GonzoX, you talk plenty of sense but what you call "ego" is in fact extreme emotion born of the amount of time and effort some of us spent trying to get the club in the right direction in the late nineties. Unless you have personally put so much time and effort in, I'm not sure you can criticise in the way you do. I for one would be delighted to see a fan-led club at Edgar Street as long as the fans understand what it is to make firm foundations - youth system, commercial and communications aspects handled properly. Not blagging it with loan signings. You bemoan the state the club is in but you fail to recognise how the club ended up in this state. I share some of your concerns about in-fighting but believe me if the fans are getting it right I couldn't give a **** if I'm involved or not from an "ego" point of view. i have been going to Edgar Street "anonymously" with a low profile for most of this century. Hardly ego at work! For all that I share your passion, hear your argument and wish you well. Mark Ryan HUISA Founder
  • Score: 0

9:16pm Tue 16 Sep 14

Meadowender says...

Gonzox,. Passions run high and feelings are strong and that provides the drive and determination to make things work. Differences don't kill things, indifference does.

You will struggle to find any situation in football or otherwise where everyone is in complete agreement.

At the biggest clubs fans disagree, look at the divided opinions regarding Iker Cassillas at Madrid at the moment and Kenny Dalglish towards the end of his last reign as manager at Liverpool and those are legends at their clubs.

If you have kids you may even have disagreed from time to time with your partner on how best to handle a particular situation but that doesn't mean all is lost.

Does it occur to you that some of us might hold the view that an open and frank discussion assists decision making as more perspectives are considered?
Gonzox,. Passions run high and feelings are strong and that provides the drive and determination to make things work. Differences don't kill things, indifference does. You will struggle to find any situation in football or otherwise where everyone is in complete agreement. At the biggest clubs fans disagree, look at the divided opinions regarding Iker Cassillas at Madrid at the moment and Kenny Dalglish towards the end of his last reign as manager at Liverpool and those are legends at their clubs. If you have kids you may even have disagreed from time to time with your partner on how best to handle a particular situation but that doesn't mean all is lost. Does it occur to you that some of us might hold the view that an open and frank discussion assists decision making as more perspectives are considered? Meadowender
  • Score: 2

10:30pm Wed 17 Sep 14

GonzoX says...

Final points I will make on the subject here:

Regarding the above, naturally it had crossed my mind that "an open and frank discussion might assist decision making", hence the reason that I read/posted on here in the first place. If I thought it was pointless, I simply would not have bothered.

Hopefully my views, which Ihave tried to describe at length, have helped to add another perspective and contributed to the general lines of thought regarding OUR club.

Finally, regarding the comment - "Unless you have personally put so much time and effort in, I'm not sure you can criticise in the way you do."

That is akin to saying, "The only people in Scotland who can voice an opinion regarding the Independence vote are the ones who have actively campaigned."

Clearly such a point of view is a complete nonsense.

Moreover, it is when fans take a viewpoint such as the above, that highly admirable "extreme emotion" ceases to be a positive contribution to the debate; instead it becomes negative and conceited.

Hence the reason why I used the words "ego" and "greed" to describe some of the unhelpful and arrogant points of view I have read here and elsewhere.

Debate is great. For Hereford, for parents of children, even for the world! But let us never forget, we are meant to be Hereford UNITED football club, not a disunited bunch of pompous keyboard warriors.

I really hope we have an opportunity to heal and re-unite behind our team. It would be a great shame to see almost a century of camaraderie and shared passion get broken and scattered, which current looks likely to happen to the dying embers of The Bulls.

“Our greatest glory lies not in never having fallen, but in rising when we fall."
Final points I will make on the subject here: Regarding the above, naturally it had crossed my mind that "an open and frank discussion might assist decision making", hence the reason that I read/posted on here in the first place. If I thought it was pointless, I simply would not have bothered. Hopefully my views, which Ihave tried to describe at length, have helped to add another perspective and contributed to the general lines of thought regarding OUR club. Finally, regarding the comment - "Unless you have personally put so much time and effort in, I'm not sure you can criticise in the way you do." That is akin to saying, "The only people in Scotland who can voice an opinion regarding the Independence vote are the ones who have actively campaigned." Clearly such a point of view is a complete nonsense. Moreover, it is when fans take a viewpoint such as the above, that highly admirable "extreme emotion" ceases to be a positive contribution to the debate; instead it becomes negative and conceited. Hence the reason why I used the words "ego" and "greed" to describe some of the unhelpful and arrogant points of view I have read here and elsewhere. Debate is great. For Hereford, for parents of children, even for the world! But let us never forget, we are meant to be Hereford UNITED football club, not a disunited bunch of pompous keyboard warriors. I really hope we have an opportunity to heal and re-unite behind our team. It would be a great shame to see almost a century of camaraderie and shared passion get broken and scattered, which current looks likely to happen to the dying embers of The Bulls. “Our greatest glory lies not in never having fallen, but in rising when we fall." GonzoX
  • Score: -1

12:40am Thu 18 Sep 14

Mark Ryan HUISA Founder says...

Did I say you aren't entitled to an opinion on Hereford United? Don't think so. Did I say you wouldn't be able to differentiate between ego and extreme emotion unless you had put so much time and energy in? Think so. Don't call me a "pompous keyboard warrior" sunshine, when I've been out there and done the business in the past and like many other brave souls I went to Aldershot this summer more in daft hope than expectation. Weren't you the one who watched it all unfold with the help of a computer keyboard, dear warrior? It is easy for you to take cheap shots from afar and state the obvious. Of course it would be better if we were all united but that will only happen when the current nightmare is over because no one actually knows what is going on and therefore, inevitably, all kinds of theories and opinions get thrown into the volatile mix and people act and react accordingly. That's the real world here right now. Enjoy your central-American peace pipe. Maybe we'll have a beer one day and you can tell us about your adventures.
Did I say you aren't entitled to an opinion on Hereford United? Don't think so. Did I say you wouldn't be able to differentiate between ego and extreme emotion unless you had put so much time and energy in? Think so. Don't call me a "pompous keyboard warrior" sunshine, when I've been out there and done the business in the past and like many other brave souls I went to Aldershot this summer more in daft hope than expectation. Weren't you the one who watched it all unfold with the help of a computer keyboard, dear warrior? It is easy for you to take cheap shots from afar and state the obvious. Of course it would be better if we were all united but that will only happen when the current nightmare is over because no one actually knows what is going on and therefore, inevitably, all kinds of theories and opinions get thrown into the volatile mix and people act and react accordingly. That's the real world here right now. Enjoy your central-American peace pipe. Maybe we'll have a beer one day and you can tell us about your adventures. Mark Ryan HUISA Founder
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