Council commits to a future for Hereford United

First published in News Hereford Times: Photograph of the Author by , Senior Reporter

HEREFORDSHIRE Council says it remains “open to discussions” with any potential investors in Hereford United.

Council leader Cllr Tony Johnson said the expulsion of United from the Conference was a “significant blow to the city and county”.

But the council, he said, was “committed” to keeping football at Edgar Street.

At present, the renegotiated leases on the ground continue to be held by the club.

If the club folds the leases would revert back to the council.

 

“We remain open to discussions with any potential investors who, like us, wish to see football remain at Edgar Street,” said Cllr Johnson.

On Friday, the Hereford Times revealed that senior council officers had meet with the reported new owner of United.

But the council stressed that the meetings between those officers and Tommy Agombar were “standard introductions” with no outline of future plans for the club.

In a statement, the council said it had yet to receive “formal notification” of the club’s new ownership arrangements and could not take part in negotiations without it.

Mr Agombar, the council confirmed, was introduced to those senior officers  he could expect to “engage with” in future.

With United’s club’s own future on the brink, the terms of the lease the council has with the club over the Edgar Street ground stay unchanged.

The council and the club are closely entwined and most recently worked closely to negotiate new leases on the ground.

Assigning the Edgar Street leases – one for 75 years on the ground and terracing to the west, the other for 33 years for the stand and parking area to the east and both dating from 1982 - was one of the last big deals done by the former Hereford City Council.

During the late 1990s, with United facing severe financial problems, the leases were reassigned to property developers in return for a £1m capital injection into the club.  

The money was made available through two companies, the BS (Bristol Stadium) Group and Chelverton.

BS and Chelverton took equal ownership of a special purpose company called Formsole Ltd which made the investment and held the leases – as the tenant under both – with the club holding sub-leases.  

By August 2001, BS had sold its “loan” to Chelverton which ran into trouble little over a year later when control of the leases passed to Carillion Richardson.

United still owed £1m plus interest to Formsole which stayed solvent when Chelverton went into liquidation.  

It was about this time there was talk of United leaving Edgar Street allowing Formsole to sell the site.

This talk came to nothing and by 2003 it was clear the club was staying at Edgar Street.  

The reassignment of the leases was supported by Herefordshire Council when it took control of the former city council’s affairs.

Getting the leases back was pitched as a political priority when the news broke in April 2010 that then United chairman Graham Turner and vice chairman Joan Fennessy were ready to sell their majority shareholding in the club.

The club began negotiations with Carillion Richardson for the return of the leases almost as soon as the Keyte-Russon takeover was completed in June that year.

That deal was done by December with the club paying £452,000 to secure the return of the leases and settle a £1,069,500 debt to Richardsons Developments, clearing the way for a new single lease and the development opportunities that could bring.

The deal was intended to offer the club security for the next 30 years and ensure future re-entry to the Football League - which requires a 25-year secured tenancy.

It also opened up opportunities for grant funding for any future development - £400,000 in the Conference and £750,000 in the Football League.

The council was ready to allow an extension to the new stadium lease of 250 years once development at either end was underway, with proceeds from the sale of development areas held in a joint escrow account.

That money was intended for the construction of two new stands - one at each end of the ground - and modernisation work on the existing stadium.

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11:09am Wed 11 Jun 14

Taurus kings acre says...

A very sad day but the reality is that despite some great achievements over the last 50 years the club has lived on a knife edge. There is just an insufficient number of regular supporters to contribute at the gate to the big crowds needed to finance a successful team and United are not the only club with this problem. It all appears well when the team are winning and on the up with a good cup run and large crowds but so fickle are those non regular hard core supporters that once they start losing the crowd vanishes.
The club have provided some fantastic Roy of The Rovers performances for us all to savour and those memories will always be there but times have changed it will be difficult to repeat. We don't know how lucky we have all been, too many are guilty of having taken it all for granted.
A very sad day but the reality is that despite some great achievements over the last 50 years the club has lived on a knife edge. There is just an insufficient number of regular supporters to contribute at the gate to the big crowds needed to finance a successful team and United are not the only club with this problem. It all appears well when the team are winning and on the up with a good cup run and large crowds but so fickle are those non regular hard core supporters that once they start losing the crowd vanishes. The club have provided some fantastic Roy of The Rovers performances for us all to savour and those memories will always be there but times have changed it will be difficult to repeat. We don't know how lucky we have all been, too many are guilty of having taken it all for granted. Taurus kings acre
  • Score: 5

11:33am Wed 11 Jun 14

Chipper Dinosaur says...

It is not true. There are over a thousand hardcore fans who will attend come-what-may. Several conference teams survive with regular attendances of a few hundred. Accrington Stanley have survived in League Two for eight years with crowds no bigger than ours. The issue is negligent ownership - Full stop. The players were not getting paid whilst our 'benefactor' was running himself in Barbados.
It is not true. There are over a thousand hardcore fans who will attend come-what-may. Several conference teams survive with regular attendances of a few hundred. Accrington Stanley have survived in League Two for eight years with crowds no bigger than ours. The issue is negligent ownership - Full stop. The players were not getting paid whilst our 'benefactor' was running himself in Barbados. Chipper Dinosaur
  • Score: 5

11:34am Wed 11 Jun 14

Chipper Dinosaur says...

Or even sunning himself*
Or even sunning himself* Chipper Dinosaur
  • Score: 3

12:22pm Wed 11 Jun 14

Taurus kings acre says...

Chipper Dinosaur wrote:
It is not true. There are over a thousand hardcore fans who will attend come-what-may. Several conference teams survive with regular attendances of a few hundred. Accrington Stanley have survived in League Two for eight years with crowds no bigger than ours. The issue is negligent ownership - Full stop. The players were not getting paid whilst our 'benefactor' was running himself in Barbados.
You are living in a dream land of believing the only way for clubs to succeed is with Mega Rich owners subsiding the club just like Fleetwood. I very much doubt there is any evidence at this level, indeed up to the championship, where owners have milked the club, quite the opposite they have had to put their hands in their pockets more often than not.
[quote][p][bold]Chipper Dinosaur[/bold] wrote: It is not true. There are over a thousand hardcore fans who will attend come-what-may. Several conference teams survive with regular attendances of a few hundred. Accrington Stanley have survived in League Two for eight years with crowds no bigger than ours. The issue is negligent ownership - Full stop. The players were not getting paid whilst our 'benefactor' was running himself in Barbados.[/p][/quote]You are living in a dream land of believing the only way for clubs to succeed is with Mega Rich owners subsiding the club just like Fleetwood. I very much doubt there is any evidence at this level, indeed up to the championship, where owners have milked the club, quite the opposite they have had to put their hands in their pockets more often than not. Taurus kings acre
  • Score: -2

1:54pm Wed 11 Jun 14

Chipper Dinosaur says...

Again,not true. I want HUST to own the club and pledged money towards a fans' takeover. Yes it's difficult to sustain any club at any level in England. And, yes, Hereford's crowds were bigger in the mid-90s. But look at the Conference attendance averages this season...

http://www.thelinnet
s.co.uk/homeattendan
ces.php?l=6

Gateshead, average attendance of 886, finished third in the league. No rich benefactor as far as I'm aware. Hereford, average attendance of 1,758 - apparently unsustainable.

I don't want Hereford to be bank-rolled by Mr/Mrs Moneybags, I want to see it owned by the community. My worry is, what is the motivation of a person like Agombar taking over a football club to which he has no association? He wants to make money out of it.
Again,not true. I want HUST to own the club and pledged money towards a fans' takeover. Yes it's difficult to sustain any club at any level in England. And, yes, Hereford's crowds were bigger in the mid-90s. But look at the Conference attendance averages this season... http://www.thelinnet s.co.uk/homeattendan ces.php?l=6 Gateshead, average attendance of 886, finished third in the league. No rich benefactor as far as I'm aware. Hereford, average attendance of 1,758 - apparently unsustainable. I don't want Hereford to be bank-rolled by Mr/Mrs Moneybags, I want to see it owned by the community. My worry is, what is the motivation of a person like Agombar taking over a football club to which he has no association? He wants to make money out of it. Chipper Dinosaur
  • Score: 5

2:25pm Wed 11 Jun 14

Taurus kings acre says...

Chipper Dinosaur wrote:
Again,not true. I want HUST to own the club and pledged money towards a fans' takeover. Yes it's difficult to sustain any club at any level in England. And, yes, Hereford's crowds were bigger in the mid-90s. But look at the Conference attendance averages this season...

http://www.thelinnet

s.co.uk/homeattendan

ces.php?l=6

Gateshead, average attendance of 886, finished third in the league. No rich benefactor as far as I'm aware. Hereford, average attendance of 1,758 - apparently unsustainable.

I don't want Hereford to be bank-rolled by Mr/Mrs Moneybags, I want to see it owned by the community. My worry is, what is the motivation of a person like Agombar taking over a football club to which he has no association? He wants to make money out of it.
No, he has more money than sense. If HUST wish to take over then that is fine by me because then they will find out just how financially difficult it is to make ends meet. Simply put you produce a budget based on known (Projected income) plus benefactors gifts, put together a good team based on that cash flow and theoretically off you go. If all projections are sustained or improved all is well but if results are not up to expectations, gates fall, benefactors enthusiasm wanes, unexpected overheads rise, players get injured etc etc the budget becomes inadequate. That is not really anyones fault because most of the projected costs were based on realistic figures. It happens in business, it has happened to Hereford Utd and it is happening every where. From Herefords point of view not owning the ground and having little or no assets is another problem. The Council should bequeath the whole ground and surrounding car park area to the club in trust, They could then find an approved partner to develop the whole site and earn extra income from those developments. Sounds simple doesn't it. But like the weather unexpected changes occur when they are least expected and the weakest link always causes the problem
[quote][p][bold]Chipper Dinosaur[/bold] wrote: Again,not true. I want HUST to own the club and pledged money towards a fans' takeover. Yes it's difficult to sustain any club at any level in England. And, yes, Hereford's crowds were bigger in the mid-90s. But look at the Conference attendance averages this season... http://www.thelinnet s.co.uk/homeattendan ces.php?l=6 Gateshead, average attendance of 886, finished third in the league. No rich benefactor as far as I'm aware. Hereford, average attendance of 1,758 - apparently unsustainable. I don't want Hereford to be bank-rolled by Mr/Mrs Moneybags, I want to see it owned by the community. My worry is, what is the motivation of a person like Agombar taking over a football club to which he has no association? He wants to make money out of it.[/p][/quote]No, he has more money than sense. If HUST wish to take over then that is fine by me because then they will find out just how financially difficult it is to make ends meet. Simply put you produce a budget based on known (Projected income) plus benefactors gifts, put together a good team based on that cash flow and theoretically off you go. If all projections are sustained or improved all is well but if results are not up to expectations, gates fall, benefactors enthusiasm wanes, unexpected overheads rise, players get injured etc etc the budget becomes inadequate. That is not really anyones fault because most of the projected costs were based on realistic figures. It happens in business, it has happened to Hereford Utd and it is happening every where. From Herefords point of view not owning the ground and having little or no assets is another problem. The Council should bequeath the whole ground and surrounding car park area to the club in trust, They could then find an approved partner to develop the whole site and earn extra income from those developments. Sounds simple doesn't it. But like the weather unexpected changes occur when they are least expected and the weakest link always causes the problem Taurus kings acre
  • Score: -1

4:14pm Wed 11 Jun 14

mizza21 says...

Taurus you have a point. All this outpouring of hatred for Keyte is a bit inappropriate.
He has failed, not through greed but through a combination of incompetence and circumstance.
In my view he has failed to budget properly and made some poor appointments, but Hereford have had significantly lower gates and players left over on wages which were unsustainable and 52 week contracts.

That is no excuse for last season though.
That was just incompetence.Of course the gates would be low and of course the revenue from the conference isn't much.
He should have cut the budget for players and staff and been creative.

Don't forget though, Keyte has lumped up a lot of his own cash into the club.
He ain't a winner in all of this.
Taurus you have a point. All this outpouring of hatred for Keyte is a bit inappropriate. He has failed, not through greed but through a combination of incompetence and circumstance. In my view he has failed to budget properly and made some poor appointments, but Hereford have had significantly lower gates and players left over on wages which were unsustainable and 52 week contracts. That is no excuse for last season though. That was just incompetence.Of course the gates would be low and of course the revenue from the conference isn't much. He should have cut the budget for players and staff and been creative. Don't forget though, Keyte has lumped up a lot of his own cash into the club. He ain't a winner in all of this. mizza21
  • Score: 0

5:55pm Wed 11 Jun 14

Taurus kings acre says...

Wattsy.no1 wrote:
The success of a football club is good football to attract people through the turnstiles, start there and the rest will follow !!!
How simple and how do you muster a team guaranteed to do that even with the sort of money that Man U, Liverpool, Chelsea, Leeds. etc have had. There are to many other things to factor in. It is you innocent naivety as to what is required behind the scenes that causes this sort of inept and ridiculous comment. Sure good, preferably winning football teams, attract people, see Liverpool this season in Particular but even their 45,000 sell out crowds, even during the bad times is insufficient without rich backers and the TV money to guarantee financial viability.
[quote][p][bold]Wattsy.no1[/bold] wrote: The success of a football club is good football to attract people through the turnstiles, start there and the rest will follow !!![/p][/quote]How simple and how do you muster a team guaranteed to do that even with the sort of money that Man U, Liverpool, Chelsea, Leeds. etc have had. There are to many other things to factor in. It is you innocent naivety as to what is required behind the scenes that causes this sort of inept and ridiculous comment. Sure good, preferably winning football teams, attract people, see Liverpool this season in Particular but even their 45,000 sell out crowds, even during the bad times is insufficient without rich backers and the TV money to guarantee financial viability. Taurus kings acre
  • Score: 4

9:23pm Wed 11 Jun 14

Wattsy.no1 says...

Taurus kings acre wrote:
Wattsy.no1 wrote:
The success of a football club is good football to attract people through the turnstiles, start there and the rest will follow !!!
How simple and how do you muster a team guaranteed to do that even with the sort of money that Man U, Liverpool, Chelsea, Leeds. etc have had. There are to many other things to factor in. It is you innocent naivety as to what is required behind the scenes that causes this sort of inept and ridiculous comment. Sure good, preferably winning football teams, attract people, see Liverpool this season in Particular but even their 45,000 sell out crowds, even during the bad times is insufficient without rich backers and the TV money to guarantee financial viability.
United did it in the 50s 60s & 70s without wads of cash, 8,000 plus gates then, as I said good football rules !!!
[quote][p][bold]Taurus kings acre[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wattsy.no1[/bold] wrote: The success of a football club is good football to attract people through the turnstiles, start there and the rest will follow !!![/p][/quote]How simple and how do you muster a team guaranteed to do that even with the sort of money that Man U, Liverpool, Chelsea, Leeds. etc have had. There are to many other things to factor in. It is you innocent naivety as to what is required behind the scenes that causes this sort of inept and ridiculous comment. Sure good, preferably winning football teams, attract people, see Liverpool this season in Particular but even their 45,000 sell out crowds, even during the bad times is insufficient without rich backers and the TV money to guarantee financial viability.[/p][/quote]United did it in the 50s 60s & 70s without wads of cash, 8,000 plus gates then, as I said good football rules !!! Wattsy.no1
  • Score: -1

9:32pm Wed 11 Jun 14

Taurus kings acre says...

Wattsy.no1 wrote:
Taurus kings acre wrote:
Wattsy.no1 wrote:
The success of a football club is good football to attract people through the turnstiles, start there and the rest will follow !!!
How simple and how do you muster a team guaranteed to do that even with the sort of money that Man U, Liverpool, Chelsea, Leeds. etc have had. There are to many other things to factor in. It is you innocent naivety as to what is required behind the scenes that causes this sort of inept and ridiculous comment. Sure good, preferably winning football teams, attract people, see Liverpool this season in Particular but even their 45,000 sell out crowds, even during the bad times is insufficient without rich backers and the TV money to guarantee financial viability.
United did it in the 50s 60s & 70s without wads of cash, 8,000 plus gates then, as I said good football rules !!!
You are deluded, virtually in dreamland, United have certainly had gates of 7-8000 even 17-18000 but only for special one off games in the cup or the final days of a successful promotion year. I was at most of those games. That is what proves my point they cannot sustain those crowds on a regular basis and with the population of the city and the surrounding catchment area never will.
[quote][p][bold]Wattsy.no1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Taurus kings acre[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wattsy.no1[/bold] wrote: The success of a football club is good football to attract people through the turnstiles, start there and the rest will follow !!![/p][/quote]How simple and how do you muster a team guaranteed to do that even with the sort of money that Man U, Liverpool, Chelsea, Leeds. etc have had. There are to many other things to factor in. It is you innocent naivety as to what is required behind the scenes that causes this sort of inept and ridiculous comment. Sure good, preferably winning football teams, attract people, see Liverpool this season in Particular but even their 45,000 sell out crowds, even during the bad times is insufficient without rich backers and the TV money to guarantee financial viability.[/p][/quote]United did it in the 50s 60s & 70s without wads of cash, 8,000 plus gates then, as I said good football rules !!![/p][/quote]You are deluded, virtually in dreamland, United have certainly had gates of 7-8000 even 17-18000 but only for special one off games in the cup or the final days of a successful promotion year. I was at most of those games. That is what proves my point they cannot sustain those crowds on a regular basis and with the population of the city and the surrounding catchment area never will. Taurus kings acre
  • Score: 2

9:42pm Wed 11 Jun 14

Wattsy.no1 says...

Taurus kings acre wrote:
Wattsy.no1 wrote:
Taurus kings acre wrote:
Wattsy.no1 wrote:
The success of a football club is good football to attract people through the turnstiles, start there and the rest will follow !!!
How simple and how do you muster a team guaranteed to do that even with the sort of money that Man U, Liverpool, Chelsea, Leeds. etc have had. There are to many other things to factor in. It is you innocent naivety as to what is required behind the scenes that causes this sort of inept and ridiculous comment. Sure good, preferably winning football teams, attract people, see Liverpool this season in Particular but even their 45,000 sell out crowds, even during the bad times is insufficient without rich backers and the TV money to guarantee financial viability.
United did it in the 50s 60s & 70s without wads of cash, 8,000 plus gates then, as I said good football rules !!!
You are deluded, virtually in dreamland, United have certainly had gates of 7-8000 even 17-18000 but only for special one off games in the cup or the final days of a successful promotion year. I was at most of those games. That is what proves my point they cannot sustain those crowds on a regular basis and with the population of the city and the surrounding catchment area never will.
These gates were regular in the 60s and 70s for all matches weekdays were even more crowded with the local players able to join the crowd and I'm not talking special matches , perhaps there were not greedy players then ?
[quote][p][bold]Taurus kings acre[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wattsy.no1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Taurus kings acre[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wattsy.no1[/bold] wrote: The success of a football club is good football to attract people through the turnstiles, start there and the rest will follow !!![/p][/quote]How simple and how do you muster a team guaranteed to do that even with the sort of money that Man U, Liverpool, Chelsea, Leeds. etc have had. There are to many other things to factor in. It is you innocent naivety as to what is required behind the scenes that causes this sort of inept and ridiculous comment. Sure good, preferably winning football teams, attract people, see Liverpool this season in Particular but even their 45,000 sell out crowds, even during the bad times is insufficient without rich backers and the TV money to guarantee financial viability.[/p][/quote]United did it in the 50s 60s & 70s without wads of cash, 8,000 plus gates then, as I said good football rules !!![/p][/quote]You are deluded, virtually in dreamland, United have certainly had gates of 7-8000 even 17-18000 but only for special one off games in the cup or the final days of a successful promotion year. I was at most of those games. That is what proves my point they cannot sustain those crowds on a regular basis and with the population of the city and the surrounding catchment area never will.[/p][/quote]These gates were regular in the 60s and 70s for all matches weekdays were even more crowded with the local players able to join the crowd and I'm not talking special matches , perhaps there were not greedy players then ? Wattsy.no1
  • Score: 1

9:44pm Wed 11 Jun 14

Wattsy.no1 says...

Wattsy.no1 wrote:
Taurus kings acre wrote:
Wattsy.no1 wrote:
Taurus kings acre wrote:
Wattsy.no1 wrote:
The success of a football club is good football to attract people through the turnstiles, start there and the rest will follow !!!
How simple and how do you muster a team guaranteed to do that even with the sort of money that Man U, Liverpool, Chelsea, Leeds. etc have had. There are to many other things to factor in. It is you innocent naivety as to what is required behind the scenes that causes this sort of inept and ridiculous comment. Sure good, preferably winning football teams, attract people, see Liverpool this season in Particular but even their 45,000 sell out crowds, even during the bad times is insufficient without rich backers and the TV money to guarantee financial viability.
United did it in the 50s 60s & 70s without wads of cash, 8,000 plus gates then, as I said good football rules !!!
You are deluded, virtually in dreamland, United have certainly had gates of 7-8000 even 17-18000 but only for special one off games in the cup or the final days of a successful promotion year. I was at most of those games. That is what proves my point they cannot sustain those crowds on a regular basis and with the population of the city and the surrounding catchment area never will.
These gates were regular in the 60s and 70s for all matches weekdays were even more crowded with the local players able to join the crowd and I'm not talking special matches , perhaps there were not greedy players then ?
Perhaps there have been too many on the take since then !!
[quote][p][bold]Wattsy.no1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Taurus kings acre[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wattsy.no1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Taurus kings acre[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wattsy.no1[/bold] wrote: The success of a football club is good football to attract people through the turnstiles, start there and the rest will follow !!![/p][/quote]How simple and how do you muster a team guaranteed to do that even with the sort of money that Man U, Liverpool, Chelsea, Leeds. etc have had. There are to many other things to factor in. It is you innocent naivety as to what is required behind the scenes that causes this sort of inept and ridiculous comment. Sure good, preferably winning football teams, attract people, see Liverpool this season in Particular but even their 45,000 sell out crowds, even during the bad times is insufficient without rich backers and the TV money to guarantee financial viability.[/p][/quote]United did it in the 50s 60s & 70s without wads of cash, 8,000 plus gates then, as I said good football rules !!![/p][/quote]You are deluded, virtually in dreamland, United have certainly had gates of 7-8000 even 17-18000 but only for special one off games in the cup or the final days of a successful promotion year. I was at most of those games. That is what proves my point they cannot sustain those crowds on a regular basis and with the population of the city and the surrounding catchment area never will.[/p][/quote]These gates were regular in the 60s and 70s for all matches weekdays were even more crowded with the local players able to join the crowd and I'm not talking special matches , perhaps there were not greedy players then ?[/p][/quote]Perhaps there have been too many on the take since then !! Wattsy.no1
  • Score: 1

7:00am Thu 12 Jun 14

dodger3 says...

I believe the population of the County is around 175000, geographically Hereford United are a remote professional football team. But fans are pulled from Mid Wales, South Shropshire. Glos border-so potential fan base is wider. But it all runs much deeper, take in, grass roots., community and history. Fan run clubs can be succesful, look at Chester and Telford.
I believe the population of the County is around 175000, geographically Hereford United are a remote professional football team. But fans are pulled from Mid Wales, South Shropshire. Glos border-so potential fan base is wider. But it all runs much deeper, take in, grass roots., community and history. Fan run clubs can be succesful, look at Chester and Telford. dodger3
  • Score: 3

7:11am Thu 12 Jun 14

Taurus kings acre says...

dodger3 wrote:
I believe the population of the County is around 175000, geographically Hereford United are a remote professional football team. But fans are pulled from Mid Wales, South Shropshire. Glos border-so potential fan base is wider. But it all runs much deeper, take in, grass roots., community and history. Fan run clubs can be succesful, look at Chester and Telford.
Then why do only 1750 fans turn up when results are not very good. I agree the fan base is considerable but it is mostly a non paying and non attending allegiance to the Club until the big games come along, then along they come to share the glory and the history. If all those so called supporters bought season tickets then that financial commitment by all the folks in the County and beyond would go some way to fund a god team and keep the club viable but that is just dreaming not reality.
[quote][p][bold]dodger3[/bold] wrote: I believe the population of the County is around 175000, geographically Hereford United are a remote professional football team. But fans are pulled from Mid Wales, South Shropshire. Glos border-so potential fan base is wider. But it all runs much deeper, take in, grass roots., community and history. Fan run clubs can be succesful, look at Chester and Telford.[/p][/quote]Then why do only 1750 fans turn up when results are not very good. I agree the fan base is considerable but it is mostly a non paying and non attending allegiance to the Club until the big games come along, then along they come to share the glory and the history. If all those so called supporters bought season tickets then that financial commitment by all the folks in the County and beyond would go some way to fund a god team and keep the club viable but that is just dreaming not reality. Taurus kings acre
  • Score: 1

7:14am Thu 12 Jun 14

Taurus kings acre says...

dodger3 wrote:
I believe the population of the County is around 175000, geographically Hereford United are a remote professional football team. But fans are pulled from Mid Wales, South Shropshire. Glos border-so potential fan base is wider. But it all runs much deeper, take in, grass roots., community and history. Fan run clubs can be succesful, look at Chester and Telford.
Then why do only 1750 fans turn up when results are not very good. I agree the fan base is considerable but it is mostly a non paying and non attending allegiance to the Club until the big games come along, then along they come to share the glory and the history. If all those so called supporters bought season tickets then that financial commitment by all the folks in the County and beyond would go some way to fund a god team and keep the club viable but that is just dreaming not reality.
[quote][p][bold]dodger3[/bold] wrote: I believe the population of the County is around 175000, geographically Hereford United are a remote professional football team. But fans are pulled from Mid Wales, South Shropshire. Glos border-so potential fan base is wider. But it all runs much deeper, take in, grass roots., community and history. Fan run clubs can be succesful, look at Chester and Telford.[/p][/quote]Then why do only 1750 fans turn up when results are not very good. I agree the fan base is considerable but it is mostly a non paying and non attending allegiance to the Club until the big games come along, then along they come to share the glory and the history. If all those so called supporters bought season tickets then that financial commitment by all the folks in the County and beyond would go some way to fund a god team and keep the club viable but that is just dreaming not reality. Taurus kings acre
  • Score: -1

7:15am Thu 12 Jun 14

Taurus kings acre says...

Then why do only 1750 fans turn up when results are not very good. I agree the fan base is considerable but it is mostly a non paying and non attending allegiance to the Club until the big games come along, then along they come to share the glory and the history. If all those so called supporters bought season tickets then that financial commitment by all the folks in the County and beyond would go some way to fund a good team and keep the club viable but that is just dreaming not reality.
Then why do only 1750 fans turn up when results are not very good. I agree the fan base is considerable but it is mostly a non paying and non attending allegiance to the Club until the big games come along, then along they come to share the glory and the history. If all those so called supporters bought season tickets then that financial commitment by all the folks in the County and beyond would go some way to fund a good team and keep the club viable but that is just dreaming not reality. Taurus kings acre
  • Score: -1

1:11pm Thu 12 Jun 14

mizza21 says...

Taurus, you are right about the fanbase.
HUFC have about 1200 solid, always be there fans.
All clubs have glory fans who only go when the team is winning or for the big games.
They don't really understand the game and don't appreciate it properly but surely they are most welcome are they not?
Aside from that there are folk who can't attend every game for one reason or another but would like to.

1200 is a really good base to work from. I would love a business with 1200 loyal customers who never go anywhere else but will definitely turn up every other week.
Taurus, you are right about the fanbase. HUFC have about 1200 solid, always be there fans. All clubs have glory fans who only go when the team is winning or for the big games. They don't really understand the game and don't appreciate it properly but surely they are most welcome are they not? Aside from that there are folk who can't attend every game for one reason or another but would like to. 1200 is a really good base to work from. I would love a business with 1200 loyal customers who never go anywhere else but will definitely turn up every other week. mizza21
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