Old Market opening - all the information and pictures from the big opening day

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  • Stores open at Old Market development
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Hereford Times: So far the reaction has been overwhelmingly positive.

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Were you there? tweet us at @htnewsroom  - tell us what you think.

Hereford Times: So far the reaction has been overwhelmingly positive.

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B the B says

Isn't it nice to see all these positive comments about this development, normally all we hear is people moaning about it, I cant wait to visit it. As for town, of course I hope that doesn't get killed off but at the end of the day if the shops are selling what people want then they'll survive.

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Shoppers lining up in the rain. By James Maggs.

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From Herefordshire Council:

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From Herefordshire Council:

Today is a historic day for the people of Herefordshire as the first stores on the Old Market site open their doors for the first time. The ten year journey to this point started with the adoption of the Unitary Development Plan.

Plans were put in place to move the old cattle market to its new site at Roman Road, on the outskirts of Hereford. Since its eventual move in 2011 the new cattle market has become one of the most successful of its kind in the country with cow sales increasing by 59% and sheep sales by 22%.

In 2006 ESG Ltd was incorporated to ensure the county had access to the commercial expertise necessary to deliver the extensive plans for what was then known as the Edgar Street Grid, which encompassed 100 acres of the underused city centre site.

ESG Ltd secured the private investment needed for the Old Market retail development site and the housing development, the Urban Village. The ESG who later became Hereford Futures was also instrumental in the delivery of the flood alleviation scheme at Credenhill which is designed to divert water from the Merton Meadow site and securing planning permission for the city Link Road.

Public and private sector investment was secured over the coming years and the masterplan for the whole ESG site was developed and consulted on in 2008/09. Planning consent for the new development was granted in 2010 and construction began in 2013. In just over one year the construction has been completed six months ahead of schedule.

One of the council’s priorities is to invest in projects to improve roads, create jobs and build more homes. The development of the retail site has regenerated the old market and brought 1100 new jobs to the city. The Urban Village will see 800 new homes; 35% of which are affordable constructed over the coming years.

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Let us know what you think of the Old Market - vote on the poll on the front page of our website

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More key facts about the Old Market -

• The construction incorporated 3,530 cubic feet or 97 Tonnes of certified sustainably managed source European oak timber that, laid end-to-end, would stretch 1.2 miles or from Hereford railway station to the Whitecross roundabout

• Approximately 2,600 m2 of shop front glazing has been installed at Old Market, equivalent to the size of ten tennis courts

• Resource efficiency is an ethos central to all construction activity - the demolition of Old Market was undertaken with the hard standing and bricks and blocks being crushed to make useable aggregate for use during construction

• 100% of the timber products used in the development are responsibly sourced

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Here are some key facts about the Old Market site:

• The demolition of the former cattle market site and the construction of Old Market was carried out in 46,137,600 seconds, 534 days or 80 weeks.

• 4,000 tonnes of steel was used in the construction of Old Market, equivalent to the weight of 588 male elephants

• Over 500,000 bricks and blocks were used - laid end to end, these would stretch from Hereford to Oxford

• The development has created thousands of jobs directly or indirectly, while over 3,500 different construction workers and specialist contractors were involved in the project

• The highest point of the development is the top of the Odeon building at 70 ft.

• Approximately 62,000 sq ft of paving was laid at Old Market, including 12,900 sq ft of Pennant stone from the Forest of Dean

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Finishing touches...

Hereford Times: Finishing touches...

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Not long till the Odeon opens now...May 22Hereford Times: Getting busier...

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Hereford Times: Crowds turn out to see what's on offer

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Record numbers are expected at Waitrose today.

Hereford Times: Record numbers are expected at Waitrose today.

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Old Market bosses confirm that deals have been done on all but three of the units on the site.

 

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Many people say they are looking forward to The Odeon opening on May 22

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The opening of TK Maxx

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Everyone spoken to so far only has good things to say about the Old Market

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Outside Costa...

Hereford Times: Outside Costa

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Hereford Times: Flocking into Waitrose.

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11:00am Thu 1 May 14

B the B says

its been open just over an hour and already the moaners are at it, get a life

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Hereford Times: Debenhams shopfloor.

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Hannah Tunstall - one of the first in.

 

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Sascha Kindred opens Debenhams

 

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Costa is packed this morning. This weekend and bank holiday will be busier though!

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Costa is packed this morning. This weekend and bank holiday will be busier though!

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And Councillor Tony Johnson, the leader of Herefordshire Council, said: "We are excited about the opening of Old Market which has taken some ten years to come to fruition.

"The movement of the old livestock market was the first step towards completing the masterplan for the area and we are delighted that the livestock market is now one of the most successful in the country.

"The Old Market development has attracted £90m of private investment and is the only retail development to be opened in the country in 2014; great news for the people of Herefordshire.

“The development has not only attracted new retail names but has ensured that names like TK Maxx and Next remain in the city; which would not have been possible without new retail space.”

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Meanwhile, Gary Bourne, Development Director for Stanhope, added: “The opening of Old Market represents the culmination of work by so many people including our development partners, Hereford Futures and Herefordshire Council, who played such an important role in bringing this development forward.

"We are very proud of what has been achieved here in Hereford - not only has Old Market provided over 1,100 jobs for Hereford, it represents an investment of £90 million which will act as a catalyst for further investment in the city and the surrounding area over years to come.

“The strength of the retail offer, particularly in the context of the challenging economic conditions, reflects the high level of occupier confidence in Old Market as a destination.

"By providing greater choice and larger stores to accommodate major multiple retailers, Old Market will reduce customer leakage to competing centres and broaden Hereford’s existing offer, while at the same time complementing the city’s historic core.”

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Some of the Old Market's biggest supporters have been making their case for the retail development.

 

Scott Lahive, Centre Manager for Old Market Hereford, said: “We couldn’t wait to welcome our shoppers to this impressive new shopping, dining and entertainment destination for the very first time.

"Old Market is designed for the shopper and there are now only three stores still to let. Our opening hours, easy parking and the mix of brands cater to all needs and there’s more to come.

“Old Market is the only major UK retail development opening this year and the first in Hereford for 25 years, which makes it even more special.”

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It's busy in Debenhams. Shopper Sue Hodgson said: "It's really great. I walked in to the store and couldn't believe I was in Hereford. It's nice to have this on your doorstep."

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Next is also open

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Hereford Times: Just a few minutes..

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Paralympic athlete Sascha Kindred has opened Debenhams

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Hereford Times: Just a few minutes..

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Paralympic athlete Sascha Kindred will open Debenhams in five minutes

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Paralympic athlete Sascha Kindred will open Debenhams in five minutes

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Hereford Times: Crowds turn out to see what's on offer

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Lots of people already gathered outside Debenhams, which opens at 10am

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Hannah Tunstall - one of the first in.

Hereford Times: Getting ready to go in TK Maxx

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HerefordBull says

Great new development, with a huge range of shops!! . 10/10.

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The rain hasn't stopped people shopping today!

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A large queue has already formed for Outfit next to TK Maxx

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Jo Bruton and Pat Rees were the first in to the store and they cut the ribbon. They had been queuing since 5.30am.

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Hereford Times: Getting ready to go in TK Maxx

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Ready to go in....

Hereford Times: Getting ready to go in TK Maxx

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Gudrun Lambert from Brinsop queued at TK Maxx since 7.45am. 

She said: "I'm very interested to see what it is like. I'm a bit worried about the town centre but I am looking forward to the choice this development will bring."

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Hundreds of people are already in the store with some people queuing since 7.30am

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The ribbon has been cut and TK Maxx is open

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TODAY is the day that Hereford’s £90million Old Market development opens its doors to shoppers.

The development has been more than a decade in the making but the wait is over for those eager to see the site.

Waitrose, Next, TK Maxx and Debenhams will welcome members of the public throughout the morning.

Waitrose is open and TK Maxx will open from 8.45am, with the first 500 shoppers getting a gift card.

Herefordshire’s own Paralympic athlete, Sascha Kindred OBE, will officially open Debenhams at 10am.

The rest of the stores and restaurants cinema will open on the site over the coming weeks and months.

The six-screen Odeon cinema is due to open on May 22.

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9:33am Thu 1 May 14

HerefordBull says...

Great new development, with a huge range of shops!! . 10/10.
Great new development, with a huge range of shops!! . 10/10. HerefordBull
  • Score: 33

9:44am Thu 1 May 14

mizza21 says...

How very exciting . I shall be at Waitrose this evening in search of Frittata and Almond stuffed Olives and I'll be more than chuffed to pay the high prices for parking at such a fine establishment.
Well done Herefordshire council for making this happen. What's a few more quid on my council tax and a few more cars on the road when I am less than a mile from Manchego.
How very exciting . I shall be at Waitrose this evening in search of Frittata and Almond stuffed Olives and I'll be more than chuffed to pay the high prices for parking at such a fine establishment. Well done Herefordshire council for making this happen. What's a few more quid on my council tax and a few more cars on the road when I am less than a mile from Manchego. mizza21
  • Score: -40

10:21am Thu 1 May 14

HerefordBull says...

Who were the letting agents, worcester next????
Who were the letting agents, worcester next???? HerefordBull
  • Score: -27

10:25am Thu 1 May 14

Herefordian07 says...

Whooptie whoo! a couple of new shops and a lot of existing ones moving from the city centre, well done council, not exactly what you promised at the outset, but then when have you ever kept your word, let's hope this doesn't have an adverse affect on the rest of our shops, having said that I wish the staff in the OLM well as we need secure employment in Hereford.
Whooptie whoo! a couple of new shops and a lot of existing ones moving from the city centre, well done council, not exactly what you promised at the outset, but then when have you ever kept your word, let's hope this doesn't have an adverse affect on the rest of our shops, having said that I wish the staff in the OLM well as we need secure employment in Hereford. Herefordian07
  • Score: -17

10:29am Thu 1 May 14

Hereford Born says...

Just walked through High Town. Haven't seen it so empty since Christmas Day. How long until M&S move away?
Just walked through High Town. Haven't seen it so empty since Christmas Day. How long until M&S move away? Hereford Born
  • Score: -14

10:58am Thu 1 May 14

probono says...

Well done to all thosae to got on with the job and ingored the NIMBYs and grid knockers. Sacha was an excellent choice too.
Well done to all thosae to got on with the job and ingored the NIMBYs and grid knockers. Sacha was an excellent choice too. probono
  • Score: 31

10:59am Thu 1 May 14

probono says...

"those who" - dyslexic fingers on this morning
"those who" - dyslexic fingers on this morning probono
  • Score: -3

11:00am Thu 1 May 14

B the B says...

its been open just over an hour and already the moaners are at it, get a life
its been open just over an hour and already the moaners are at it, get a life B the B
  • Score: 20

11:14am Thu 1 May 14

bobby47 says...

Well I ain't going. Ever! I'll be damned if I do. Im a High Town man. I've always been a High Town man and I'll forever be a High Town man.
Whilst there's one shop in High Town trading and willing to enter into a financial transaction with me and sell me some ale and some food then that's where I'll be going. I'd sooner starve to death on a bench in High Town than crawl across that rotten shared space and visit the salty hulk.
In fact, even when all the shops in High Town cease to be, still, even then, bereft of hope and ravenous for ale and food, still I'd refuse to step inside that monstrous hulk of a development.
Never! I'll never go in there. And when some passing stranger glances at my wretched body and says,'you must be starving. Take a bite out of this lovely custard slice', I'd say, 'where did you purchase that delightful looking custard slice?' And if he said, 'at Waitrose', I'd say, 'clear off. Be gone and take your custard slice elsewhere. Im a High Town man'.
I'll never enter that salty hulk of a development. Not even if the local Constable drags me off the bench, Taser's me and orders me to into the new development to purchase a new suit of clothes because the ones Im wearing are covered in sea gull excrement.
I ain't ever going. I'll be damned if I do! Not one single penny piece will leave my pocket and end up in one of their tills. Never!
Why would I place my health and my life in harms way because of a principle? Because Im a High Town man.
Well I ain't going. Ever! I'll be damned if I do. Im a High Town man. I've always been a High Town man and I'll forever be a High Town man. Whilst there's one shop in High Town trading and willing to enter into a financial transaction with me and sell me some ale and some food then that's where I'll be going. I'd sooner starve to death on a bench in High Town than crawl across that rotten shared space and visit the salty hulk. In fact, even when all the shops in High Town cease to be, still, even then, bereft of hope and ravenous for ale and food, still I'd refuse to step inside that monstrous hulk of a development. Never! I'll never go in there. And when some passing stranger glances at my wretched body and says,'you must be starving. Take a bite out of this lovely custard slice', I'd say, 'where did you purchase that delightful looking custard slice?' And if he said, 'at Waitrose', I'd say, 'clear off. Be gone and take your custard slice elsewhere. Im a High Town man'. I'll never enter that salty hulk of a development. Not even if the local Constable drags me off the bench, Taser's me and orders me to into the new development to purchase a new suit of clothes because the ones Im wearing are covered in sea gull excrement. I ain't ever going. I'll be damned if I do! Not one single penny piece will leave my pocket and end up in one of their tills. Never! Why would I place my health and my life in harms way because of a principle? Because Im a High Town man. bobby47
  • Score: -26

11:40am Thu 1 May 14

stealthbear says...

oh dear bobby47....

2 letters spring to mind ...:

B & T

go figure
oh dear bobby47.... 2 letters spring to mind ...: B & T go figure stealthbear
  • Score: 12

12:24pm Thu 1 May 14

Moreteavicar? says...

Never mind Bobby, I for one can see past the sleaze, waste and incompetence that have been the sorry tale of ESG to see the humour in your comments.
Never mind Bobby, I for one can see past the sleaze, waste and incompetence that have been the sorry tale of ESG to see the humour in your comments. Moreteavicar?
  • Score: -6

12:24pm Thu 1 May 14

B the B says...

Isn't it nice to see all these positive comments about this development, normally all we hear is people moaning about it, I cant wait to visit it. As for town, of course I hope that doesn't get killed off but at the end of the day if the shops are selling what people want then they'll survive.
Isn't it nice to see all these positive comments about this development, normally all we hear is people moaning about it, I cant wait to visit it. As for town, of course I hope that doesn't get killed off but at the end of the day if the shops are selling what people want then they'll survive. B the B
  • Score: 10

12:37pm Thu 1 May 14

bobby47 says...

No, it's ok. I do moan and any stick I get I fully deserve. In fact, its all probably true and there does come a time, which is probably now, to stop moaning, get on with it and hope that it'll all end well and benefit our great City and County.
Mind, anything I do write is a load of pigswill and its never meant to make anyone, other than me, look ridiculous.
My very warmest regards to all.
No, it's ok. I do moan and any stick I get I fully deserve. In fact, its all probably true and there does come a time, which is probably now, to stop moaning, get on with it and hope that it'll all end well and benefit our great City and County. Mind, anything I do write is a load of pigswill and its never meant to make anyone, other than me, look ridiculous. My very warmest regards to all. bobby47
  • Score: 33

1:52pm Thu 1 May 14

Hereford person says...

Right come on its open move on to the next moaning subject. Not sure what it could be, the decision makers on the council? most are not standing next year surprise surprise, so some of the moaners could stand.
Anyway it's a disgrace I can't find much to moan about at the moment but that will change soon I suspect.
Right come on its open move on to the next moaning subject. Not sure what it could be, the decision makers on the council? most are not standing next year surprise surprise, so some of the moaners could stand. Anyway it's a disgrace I can't find much to moan about at the moment but that will change soon I suspect. Hereford person
  • Score: 14

3:05pm Thu 1 May 14

Moreteavicar? says...

• 4,000 tonnes of steel was used in the construction of Old Market, equivalent to the weight of 588 male elephants - white ones by any chance?
• 4,000 tonnes of steel was used in the construction of Old Market, equivalent to the weight of 588 male elephants - white ones by any chance? Moreteavicar?
  • Score: -4

4:39pm Thu 1 May 14

B the B says...

over a 100 tress planted, I suppose you'd expect to see a few planks on here.
over a 100 tress planted, I suppose you'd expect to see a few planks on here. B the B
  • Score: -15

5:36pm Thu 1 May 14

probono says...

All the moaners seem to be on here, while the rest of Hereford is checking out the new development. Seems about right.

Listening to all the positive comments on BBC H&W, Seems it will no longer be necessary to travel to Worcester or Cardiff for better shops and a wider choice.
All the moaners seem to be on here, while the rest of Hereford is checking out the new development. Seems about right. Listening to all the positive comments on BBC H&W, Seems it will no longer be necessary to travel to Worcester or Cardiff for better shops and a wider choice. probono
  • Score: 21

6:23pm Thu 1 May 14

ad47uk says...

probono wrote:
All the moaners seem to be on here, while the rest of Hereford is checking out the new development. Seems about right.

Listening to all the positive comments on BBC H&W, Seems it will no longer be necessary to travel to Worcester or Cardiff for better shops and a wider choice.
But i like Cardiff, far nicer than Hereford. I will still travel to Cardiff.
[quote][p][bold]probono[/bold] wrote: All the moaners seem to be on here, while the rest of Hereford is checking out the new development. Seems about right. Listening to all the positive comments on BBC H&W, Seems it will no longer be necessary to travel to Worcester or Cardiff for better shops and a wider choice.[/p][/quote]But i like Cardiff, far nicer than Hereford. I will still travel to Cardiff. ad47uk
  • Score: -5

6:26pm Thu 1 May 14

ad47uk says...

I still doubt I will ever visit the place unless I am dragged in. but then i only go in about 3 shops in town and that is it. I do not like costa, I think their coffee is weak and got little taste, prefer Neros if i have to use a large company.

do anyone know if Vodafone is closing their store in town, because if they are i will move to another network, who got a store in a better position
I still doubt I will ever visit the place unless I am dragged in. but then i only go in about 3 shops in town and that is it. I do not like costa, I think their coffee is weak and got little taste, prefer Neros if i have to use a large company. do anyone know if Vodafone is closing their store in town, because if they are i will move to another network, who got a store in a better position ad47uk
  • Score: -14

6:56pm Thu 1 May 14

Dementinator says...

Had look round, parked my van in Gaol St and paid my £2.20 for two hours (shock horror!! ) used the powerful lower limbs that evolution saw fit to bless human beings with and WALKED into high town, it was **** busy then, loads of folks around, outdoor café packed, popped into the Matabeau for a cheese roll then WALKED over to the new development via a pretty busy Maylords.
It looked great, me mum bought some earings at Debenhams, me a cake at Waitrose.

Really enjoyed it, scores of people walking over into hightown.
Heres the kicker which will annoy the ever present moaners, had to drive through town to me someone at Pengethley garden centre on the 49 and sailed down the emptiest Edgar St I have seen, the journey back through New Market st was pretty quick too, lots of traffic but moving, 10 mins from Gaol St to the Starting Gate.

I go to Brum tfor work several times a month and THATS proper traffic!

The centre is a testament to the builders and the folks who worked so hard getting it ready, well done, its what our fair city needed!
Had look round, parked my van in Gaol St and paid my £2.20 for two hours (shock horror!! ) used the powerful lower limbs that evolution saw fit to bless human beings with and WALKED into high town, it was **** busy then, loads of folks around, outdoor café packed, popped into the Matabeau for a cheese roll then WALKED over to the new development via a pretty busy Maylords. It looked great, me mum bought some earings at Debenhams, me a cake at Waitrose. Really enjoyed it, scores of people walking over into hightown. Heres the kicker which will annoy the ever present moaners, had to drive through town to me someone at Pengethley garden centre on the 49 and sailed down the emptiest Edgar St I have seen, the journey back through New Market st was pretty quick too, lots of traffic but moving, 10 mins from Gaol St to the Starting Gate. I go to Brum tfor work several times a month and THATS proper traffic! The centre is a testament to the builders and the folks who worked so hard getting it ready, well done, its what our fair city needed! Dementinator
  • Score: 33

7:38pm Thu 1 May 14

CAH123 says...

Why are people using what they think are bike racks in the central reservation. Surely they are to protect the trees? You surely wouldn't want people having to wheel their pushbikes to lock them up there and later re-join the traffic from that point? Accidents waiting to happen I think. Lots of jay walking going on because there is nothing stopping people walking straight across the road which, after all, is the main route through the city. Really not well thought through.
Why are people using what they think are bike racks in the central reservation. Surely they are to protect the trees? You surely wouldn't want people having to wheel their pushbikes to lock them up there and later re-join the traffic from that point? Accidents waiting to happen I think. Lots of jay walking going on because there is nothing stopping people walking straight across the road which, after all, is the main route through the city. Really not well thought through. CAH123
  • Score: -5

8:27pm Thu 1 May 14

William Rudd says...

CAH123 wrote:
Why are people using what they think are bike racks in the central reservation. Surely they are to protect the trees? You surely wouldn't want people having to wheel their pushbikes to lock them up there and later re-join the traffic from that point? Accidents waiting to happen I think. Lots of jay walking going on because there is nothing stopping people walking straight across the road which, after all, is the main route through the city. Really not well thought through.
They are bike racks and were being used by quite a few people including me although when I got back to bike home I had a bloody flat
[quote][p][bold]CAH123[/bold] wrote: Why are people using what they think are bike racks in the central reservation. Surely they are to protect the trees? You surely wouldn't want people having to wheel their pushbikes to lock them up there and later re-join the traffic from that point? Accidents waiting to happen I think. Lots of jay walking going on because there is nothing stopping people walking straight across the road which, after all, is the main route through the city. Really not well thought through.[/p][/quote]They are bike racks and were being used by quite a few people including me although when I got back to bike home I had a bloody flat William Rudd
  • Score: 11

11:16pm Thu 1 May 14

jd1950 says...

I thought that it was very good, I will admit that in the beginning I was against it , but if it brings jobs and trade to Hereford let it be
I thought that it was very good, I will admit that in the beginning I was against it , but if it brings jobs and trade to Hereford let it be jd1950
  • Score: 15

7:23am Fri 2 May 14

ad47uk says...

Dementinator wrote:
Had look round, parked my van in Gaol St and paid my £2.20 for two hours (shock horror!! ) used the powerful lower limbs that evolution saw fit to bless human beings with and WALKED into high town, it was **** busy then, loads of folks around, outdoor café packed, popped into the Matabeau for a cheese roll then WALKED over to the new development via a pretty busy Maylords.
It looked great, me mum bought some earings at Debenhams, me a cake at Waitrose.

Really enjoyed it, scores of people walking over into hightown.
Heres the kicker which will annoy the ever present moaners, had to drive through town to me someone at Pengethley garden centre on the 49 and sailed down the emptiest Edgar St I have seen, the journey back through New Market st was pretty quick too, lots of traffic but moving, 10 mins from Gaol St to the Starting Gate.

I go to Brum tfor work several times a month and THATS proper traffic!

The centre is a testament to the builders and the folks who worked so hard getting it ready, well done, its what our fair city needed!
You should have been around about 5pm then, because both sides of Edgar street was hardly moving, the south bound was worse than I had seen it for a while, we was going down the north bound and while it was busy, we still managed to get from the courtyard to Newtown road before a car on the other side moved five feet.

I normally walk to work and back, i just had a lift yesterday, maybe a bad day to get a lift. If this is what the traffic is going to be like then people will not bother to come into Hereford.
[quote][p][bold]Dementinator[/bold] wrote: Had look round, parked my van in Gaol St and paid my £2.20 for two hours (shock horror!! ) used the powerful lower limbs that evolution saw fit to bless human beings with and WALKED into high town, it was **** busy then, loads of folks around, outdoor café packed, popped into the Matabeau for a cheese roll then WALKED over to the new development via a pretty busy Maylords. It looked great, me mum bought some earings at Debenhams, me a cake at Waitrose. Really enjoyed it, scores of people walking over into hightown. Heres the kicker which will annoy the ever present moaners, had to drive through town to me someone at Pengethley garden centre on the 49 and sailed down the emptiest Edgar St I have seen, the journey back through New Market st was pretty quick too, lots of traffic but moving, 10 mins from Gaol St to the Starting Gate. I go to Brum tfor work several times a month and THATS proper traffic! The centre is a testament to the builders and the folks who worked so hard getting it ready, well done, its what our fair city needed![/p][/quote]You should have been around about 5pm then, because both sides of Edgar street was hardly moving, the south bound was worse than I had seen it for a while, we was going down the north bound and while it was busy, we still managed to get from the courtyard to Newtown road before a car on the other side moved five feet. I normally walk to work and back, i just had a lift yesterday, maybe a bad day to get a lift. If this is what the traffic is going to be like then people will not bother to come into Hereford. ad47uk
  • Score: 0

9:22am Fri 2 May 14

CJM1957 says...

probono wrote:
All the moaners seem to be on here, while the rest of Hereford is checking out the new development. Seems about right.

Listening to all the positive comments on BBC H&W, Seems it will no longer be necessary to travel to Worcester or Cardiff for better shops and a wider choice.
I'm celebrating the opening of this new monument to man's **** for material things by spending the weekend at a Catholic conference in Cardiff. Storing up treasures on earth is a complete waste of your life. Worship the god of materialism in this life and spend eternity in hell.
[quote][p][bold]probono[/bold] wrote: All the moaners seem to be on here, while the rest of Hereford is checking out the new development. Seems about right. Listening to all the positive comments on BBC H&W, Seems it will no longer be necessary to travel to Worcester or Cardiff for better shops and a wider choice.[/p][/quote]I'm celebrating the opening of this new monument to man's **** for material things by spending the weekend at a Catholic conference in Cardiff. Storing up treasures on earth is a complete waste of your life. Worship the god of materialism in this life and spend eternity in hell. CJM1957
  • Score: -12

9:29am Fri 2 May 14

CJM1957 says...

CJM1957 wrote:
probono wrote:
All the moaners seem to be on here, while the rest of Hereford is checking out the new development. Seems about right.

Listening to all the positive comments on BBC H&W, Seems it will no longer be necessary to travel to Worcester or Cardiff for better shops and a wider choice.
I'm celebrating the opening of this new monument to man's **** for material things by spending the weekend at a Catholic conference in Cardiff. Storing up treasures on earth is a complete waste of your life. Worship the god of materialism in this life and spend eternity in hell.
I see the censors removed the word l u s t from my post. Why?
[quote][p][bold]CJM1957[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]probono[/bold] wrote: All the moaners seem to be on here, while the rest of Hereford is checking out the new development. Seems about right. Listening to all the positive comments on BBC H&W, Seems it will no longer be necessary to travel to Worcester or Cardiff for better shops and a wider choice.[/p][/quote]I'm celebrating the opening of this new monument to man's **** for material things by spending the weekend at a Catholic conference in Cardiff. Storing up treasures on earth is a complete waste of your life. Worship the god of materialism in this life and spend eternity in hell.[/p][/quote]I see the censors removed the word l u s t from my post. Why? CJM1957
  • Score: -3

11:06am Fri 2 May 14

tracyatlarge says...

So the OLM has "provided 1100 jobs for Hereford". How many are permanent jobs? How many are full time jobs? How many pay a living wage? How many are zero-hours contracts?
So the OLM has "provided 1100 jobs for Hereford". How many are permanent jobs? How many are full time jobs? How many pay a living wage? How many are zero-hours contracts? tracyatlarge
  • Score: 3

11:13am Fri 2 May 14

TwoWheelsGood says...

tracyatlarge - the council and the developers have trotted out the 'over 1000 jobs' line for so long now that it's accepted as fact. Lets see some actual facts and figures to support these claims.
tracyatlarge - the council and the developers have trotted out the 'over 1000 jobs' line for so long now that it's accepted as fact. Lets see some actual facts and figures to support these claims. TwoWheelsGood
  • Score: 1

12:12pm Fri 2 May 14

herefordman99 says...

probono wrote:
All the moaners seem to be on here, while the rest of Hereford is checking out the new development. Seems about right. Listening to all the positive comments on BBC H&W, Seems it will no longer be necessary to travel to Worcester or Cardiff for better shops and a wider choice.
Better shops and a wider choice??? Where??? There are only about 2 or 3 new shops (Debenhams & Waitrose spring to mind) and a few over priced eateries.
Still not convinced about the place attracting many from outside the county after being open 6 months, there is not enough variety to keep bringing people back. How many times can you walk around Debenhams in a month? TK Maxx have just moved stores and re arranged the stock a bit (from what i have been told) - so nothing new there. Never been in Next as I can't afford or justify their prices (even with a well paid full time job - why the hell pay £40+ for a pair of Jeans???) Debenhams has never interested me in any way, shape or form. Only ever been into a Waitrose once, and really didn't think the place justified it's "upper class" image.
As for the "eateries" - well, chicken or over priced burgers, hmmm, think i'll stick to a decent meal at a country pub - better value, genuine local produce, and better still my money is supporting local businesses not greedy multi national conglomerates.
Finally, multi screen cinema? Novel and exciting 20 years ago, but in this modern age of digital downloads and streaming movies at home (even with our counties' snail paced broadband) onto TV screens that are bigger than the average dining table, why spend £10 each to sit in a crowded room, with a few hundred people, when you can stay at home, save the excessive amounts of cash it would have cost, and have a better evening?
So I'm still not convinced it has enough to keep people coming back, once the novelty has worn off it will start to suffer and end up as Maylords did, run down and in financial trouble with empty units.
[quote][p][bold]probono[/bold] wrote: All the moaners seem to be on here, while the rest of Hereford is checking out the new development. Seems about right. Listening to all the positive comments on BBC H&W, Seems it will no longer be necessary to travel to Worcester or Cardiff for better shops and a wider choice.[/p][/quote]Better shops and a wider choice??? Where??? There are only about 2 or 3 new shops (Debenhams & Waitrose spring to mind) and a few over priced eateries. Still not convinced about the place attracting many from outside the county after being open 6 months, there is not enough variety to keep bringing people back. How many times can you walk around Debenhams in a month? TK Maxx have just moved stores and re arranged the stock a bit (from what i have been told) - so nothing new there. Never been in Next as I can't afford or justify their prices (even with a well paid full time job - why the hell pay £40+ for a pair of Jeans???) Debenhams has never interested me in any way, shape or form. Only ever been into a Waitrose once, and really didn't think the place justified it's "upper class" image. As for the "eateries" - well, chicken or over priced burgers, hmmm, think i'll stick to a decent meal at a country pub - better value, genuine local produce, and better still my money is supporting local businesses not greedy multi national conglomerates. Finally, multi screen cinema? Novel and exciting 20 years ago, but in this modern age of digital downloads and streaming movies at home (even with our counties' snail paced broadband) onto TV screens that are bigger than the average dining table, why spend £10 each to sit in a crowded room, with a few hundred people, when you can stay at home, save the excessive amounts of cash it would have cost, and have a better evening? So I'm still not convinced it has enough to keep people coming back, once the novelty has worn off it will start to suffer and end up as Maylords did, run down and in financial trouble with empty units. herefordman99
  • Score: -8

4:19pm Fri 2 May 14

Herefordian07 says...

Herefordman99, I think you have the same insight to this farce that a lot of local people have believed from the onset of this project, I cannot see how it will attract the volume of customers to be viable - only time will tell. I am more concerned about the detrimental affect it will have on existing businesses in the city than anything else. Don't worry about the thumbs down I even thumbs downed myself in protest yesterday!
Herefordman99, I think you have the same insight to this farce that a lot of local people have believed from the onset of this project, I cannot see how it will attract the volume of customers to be viable - only time will tell. I am more concerned about the detrimental affect it will have on existing businesses in the city than anything else. Don't worry about the thumbs down I even thumbs downed myself in protest yesterday! Herefordian07
  • Score: -4

4:57pm Fri 2 May 14

herefordman99 says...

Herefordian07 wrote:
Herefordman99, I think you have the same insight to this farce that a lot of local people have believed from the onset of this project, I cannot see how it will attract the volume of customers to be viable - only time will tell. I am more concerned about the detrimental affect it will have on existing businesses in the city than anything else. Don't worry about the thumbs down I even thumbs downed myself in protest yesterday!
Thumbs down don't bother me one bit. I see it as it is unfortunately, not through rose tinted glasses.
Hereford has sufferered for the last 20 years from a lack of foresight and planning by the stuck in the past council. For too many years they just sat there and watched, proclaiming that they didn't want to turn Hereford into a modern city, but keep it quaint to attract visitors - look how that worked. Now we are here, we have a "shopping centre" with nowhere near enough shops to attract visitors (think about it - there are only 2 new shops in the whole development) the rest have been here for years!)
The story in the headlines today says it all (about Maylords) - it hasn't had any investment in 20 years - why? because they have been planning the new centre for the last 15!
[quote][p][bold]Herefordian07[/bold] wrote: Herefordman99, I think you have the same insight to this farce that a lot of local people have believed from the onset of this project, I cannot see how it will attract the volume of customers to be viable - only time will tell. I am more concerned about the detrimental affect it will have on existing businesses in the city than anything else. Don't worry about the thumbs down I even thumbs downed myself in protest yesterday![/p][/quote]Thumbs down don't bother me one bit. I see it as it is unfortunately, not through rose tinted glasses. Hereford has sufferered for the last 20 years from a lack of foresight and planning by the stuck in the past council. For too many years they just sat there and watched, proclaiming that they didn't want to turn Hereford into a modern city, but keep it quaint to attract visitors - look how that worked. Now we are here, we have a "shopping centre" with nowhere near enough shops to attract visitors (think about it - there are only 2 new shops in the whole development) the rest have been here for years!) The story in the headlines today says it all (about Maylords) - it hasn't had any investment in 20 years - why? because they have been planning the new centre for the last 15! herefordman99
  • Score: 4

6:02pm Fri 2 May 14

ad47uk says...

herefordman99 wrote:
probono wrote:
All the moaners seem to be on here, while the rest of Hereford is checking out the new development. Seems about right. Listening to all the positive comments on BBC H&W, Seems it will no longer be necessary to travel to Worcester or Cardiff for better shops and a wider choice.
Better shops and a wider choice??? Where??? There are only about 2 or 3 new shops (Debenhams & Waitrose spring to mind) and a few over priced eateries.
Still not convinced about the place attracting many from outside the county after being open 6 months, there is not enough variety to keep bringing people back. How many times can you walk around Debenhams in a month? TK Maxx have just moved stores and re arranged the stock a bit (from what i have been told) - so nothing new there. Never been in Next as I can't afford or justify their prices (even with a well paid full time job - why the hell pay £40+ for a pair of Jeans???) Debenhams has never interested me in any way, shape or form. Only ever been into a Waitrose once, and really didn't think the place justified it's "upper class" image.
As for the "eateries" - well, chicken or over priced burgers, hmmm, think i'll stick to a decent meal at a country pub - better value, genuine local produce, and better still my money is supporting local businesses not greedy multi national conglomerates.
Finally, multi screen cinema? Novel and exciting 20 years ago, but in this modern age of digital downloads and streaming movies at home (even with our counties' snail paced broadband) onto TV screens that are bigger than the average dining table, why spend £10 each to sit in a crowded room, with a few hundred people, when you can stay at home, save the excessive amounts of cash it would have cost, and have a better evening?
So I'm still not convinced it has enough to keep people coming back, once the novelty has worn off it will start to suffer and end up as Maylords did, run down and in financial trouble with empty units.
I agree with you on so much of that post. I work, but there is no way I could justify paying the high prices these new restaurants will charge even if I liked the food they sell, which I don't. i certainly not going to pay a tenner for a burger at F and B, no way, I have not been in a Mcdonalds for over 30 years and they are a lot cheaper.
Must be a good 12 years since i been in a cinema, in fact I am thinking of buying a projector. you got a family, going to the cinema is not cheap, and Odeon have always been over priced and i never liked them anyway.

We will see how it goes in the first 12 months and see if these shops think they made the right choice coming to Hereford, i certainly don't think it will bring more people to Hereford to be honest, the traffic will put a stop tot hat and why come to Hereford for something they can get in there own town but on a larger scale?

Nothing there in the new development for me to get excited about to be honestk, seems to be all about the young people. It may give us a bit more choice, but Hereford is still limited for choice.

Hopefully now Maylords got a buyer, someone may do something good with that and keep custom in the main city centre.
Wilkos is the most useful shop for me that have come to Hereford for a while to be honest
[quote][p][bold]herefordman99[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]probono[/bold] wrote: All the moaners seem to be on here, while the rest of Hereford is checking out the new development. Seems about right. Listening to all the positive comments on BBC H&W, Seems it will no longer be necessary to travel to Worcester or Cardiff for better shops and a wider choice.[/p][/quote]Better shops and a wider choice??? Where??? There are only about 2 or 3 new shops (Debenhams & Waitrose spring to mind) and a few over priced eateries. Still not convinced about the place attracting many from outside the county after being open 6 months, there is not enough variety to keep bringing people back. How many times can you walk around Debenhams in a month? TK Maxx have just moved stores and re arranged the stock a bit (from what i have been told) - so nothing new there. Never been in Next as I can't afford or justify their prices (even with a well paid full time job - why the hell pay £40+ for a pair of Jeans???) Debenhams has never interested me in any way, shape or form. Only ever been into a Waitrose once, and really didn't think the place justified it's "upper class" image. As for the "eateries" - well, chicken or over priced burgers, hmmm, think i'll stick to a decent meal at a country pub - better value, genuine local produce, and better still my money is supporting local businesses not greedy multi national conglomerates. Finally, multi screen cinema? Novel and exciting 20 years ago, but in this modern age of digital downloads and streaming movies at home (even with our counties' snail paced broadband) onto TV screens that are bigger than the average dining table, why spend £10 each to sit in a crowded room, with a few hundred people, when you can stay at home, save the excessive amounts of cash it would have cost, and have a better evening? So I'm still not convinced it has enough to keep people coming back, once the novelty has worn off it will start to suffer and end up as Maylords did, run down and in financial trouble with empty units.[/p][/quote]I agree with you on so much of that post. I work, but there is no way I could justify paying the high prices these new restaurants will charge even if I liked the food they sell, which I don't. i certainly not going to pay a tenner for a burger at F and B, no way, I have not been in a Mcdonalds for over 30 years and they are a lot cheaper. Must be a good 12 years since i been in a cinema, in fact I am thinking of buying a projector. you got a family, going to the cinema is not cheap, and Odeon have always been over priced and i never liked them anyway. We will see how it goes in the first 12 months and see if these shops think they made the right choice coming to Hereford, i certainly don't think it will bring more people to Hereford to be honest, the traffic will put a stop tot hat and why come to Hereford for something they can get in there own town but on a larger scale? Nothing there in the new development for me to get excited about to be honestk, seems to be all about the young people. It may give us a bit more choice, but Hereford is still limited for choice. Hopefully now Maylords got a buyer, someone may do something good with that and keep custom in the main city centre. Wilkos is the most useful shop for me that have come to Hereford for a while to be honest ad47uk
  • Score: 4

8:55pm Fri 2 May 14

Welcome to the jungle says...

TwoWheelsGood wrote:
tracyatlarge - the council and the developers have trotted out the 'over 1000 jobs' line for so long now that it's accepted as fact. Lets see some actual facts and figures to support these claims.
What they haven't reported is the fact that one local company has already been forced into liquidation by this development with the loss of several jobs!!
[quote][p][bold]TwoWheelsGood[/bold] wrote: tracyatlarge - the council and the developers have trotted out the 'over 1000 jobs' line for so long now that it's accepted as fact. Lets see some actual facts and figures to support these claims.[/p][/quote]What they haven't reported is the fact that one local company has already been forced into liquidation by this development with the loss of several jobs!! Welcome to the jungle
  • Score: 7

6:39am Sat 3 May 14

B the B says...

Still they moan, unbelievable.
.
It looks great to me and many many more, just what Hereford needed.
Still they moan, unbelievable. . It looks great to me and many many more, just what Hereford needed. B the B
  • Score: -5

5:36pm Sun 4 May 14

William Rudd says...

Welcome to the jungle wrote:
TwoWheelsGood wrote:
tracyatlarge - the council and the developers have trotted out the 'over 1000 jobs' line for so long now that it's accepted as fact. Lets see some actual facts and figures to support these claims.
What they haven't reported is the fact that one local company has already been forced into liquidation by this development with the loss of several jobs!!
Who?
[quote][p][bold]Welcome to the jungle[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TwoWheelsGood[/bold] wrote: tracyatlarge - the council and the developers have trotted out the 'over 1000 jobs' line for so long now that it's accepted as fact. Lets see some actual facts and figures to support these claims.[/p][/quote]What they haven't reported is the fact that one local company has already been forced into liquidation by this development with the loss of several jobs!![/p][/quote]Who? William Rudd
  • Score: -3

5:40pm Sun 4 May 14

grandoldlady says...

B the B wrote:
Still they moan, unbelievable.
.
It looks great to me and many many more, just what Hereford needed.
Well said B the B. I couldn't agree more. I was unable to visit the new shopping centre until today (Sunday) and was saddened, but not surprised to read some of the negative comments posted here over the last few weeks and days. However, after waiting so long for Hereford to have something worth visiting the town for, at last it's here and it's brilliant. It's small and intimate rather than big, sprawling and claustrophobic like larger enclosed shopping centres in Birmingham, Worcester etc. The atmosphere was pleasant in every shop I visited today.I know it's early days but let's try to be positive about our beautiful city and embrace the changes. Yes, there may be a temporary negative effect on some of the High Town shops but not for long and I firmly believe that the new centre will eventually bring more business and jobs to the City. We still have all the Banks, Building Societies, Solicitors, Wilko, Primark, M&S. WH Smith, Boots etc etc, that will keep shoppers in the town centre too. There's room for healthy competition, so come on folks, don't be negative, give it a chance and watch Hereford blossom. I love Hereford, I was born here in the 1940's and have seen many changes over the years, not always for the good, but I am ready to embrace this wonderful new shopping centre. Well done Hereford and well done all the lovely, positive comments.
[quote][p][bold]B the B[/bold] wrote: Still they moan, unbelievable. . It looks great to me and many many more, just what Hereford needed.[/p][/quote]Well said B the B. I couldn't agree more. I was unable to visit the new shopping centre until today (Sunday) and was saddened, but not surprised to read some of the negative comments posted here over the last few weeks and days. However, after waiting so long for Hereford to have something worth visiting the town for, at last it's here and it's brilliant. It's small and intimate rather than big, sprawling and claustrophobic like larger enclosed shopping centres in Birmingham, Worcester etc. The atmosphere was pleasant in every shop I visited today.I know it's early days but let's try to be positive about our beautiful city and embrace the changes. Yes, there may be a temporary negative effect on some of the High Town shops but not for long and I firmly believe that the new centre will eventually bring more business and jobs to the City. We still have all the Banks, Building Societies, Solicitors, Wilko, Primark, M&S. WH Smith, Boots etc etc, that will keep shoppers in the town centre too. There's room for healthy competition, so come on folks, don't be negative, give it a chance and watch Hereford blossom. I love Hereford, I was born here in the 1940's and have seen many changes over the years, not always for the good, but I am ready to embrace this wonderful new shopping centre. Well done Hereford and well done all the lovely, positive comments. grandoldlady
  • Score: 5

6:07pm Sun 4 May 14

RogerLFC says...

William Rudd wrote:
Welcome to the jungle wrote:
TwoWheelsGood wrote:
tracyatlarge - the council and the developers have trotted out the 'over 1000 jobs' line for so long now that it's accepted as fact. Lets see some actual facts and figures to support these claims.
What they haven't reported is the fact that one local company has already been forced into liquidation by this development with the loss of several jobs!!
Who?
I would guess that would be Rockfield. Bought off for the link road ...
[quote][p][bold]William Rudd[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Welcome to the jungle[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TwoWheelsGood[/bold] wrote: tracyatlarge - the council and the developers have trotted out the 'over 1000 jobs' line for so long now that it's accepted as fact. Lets see some actual facts and figures to support these claims.[/p][/quote]What they haven't reported is the fact that one local company has already been forced into liquidation by this development with the loss of several jobs!![/p][/quote]Who?[/p][/quote]I would guess that would be Rockfield. Bought off for the link road ... RogerLFC
  • Score: 0

9:16am Mon 5 May 14

flamboyant says...

The Market development looks great but let's be honest about the number of jobs created. The majority of these jobs are part time 16-20 hours per week so you can half the figures put out by the Council, the implication being that they are full time positions.
The Market development looks great but let's be honest about the number of jobs created. The majority of these jobs are part time 16-20 hours per week so you can half the figures put out by the Council, the implication being that they are full time positions. flamboyant
  • Score: 6

3:32pm Mon 5 May 14

Welcome to the jungle says...

RogerLFC wrote:
William Rudd wrote:
Welcome to the jungle wrote:
TwoWheelsGood wrote:
tracyatlarge - the council and the developers have trotted out the 'over 1000 jobs' line for so long now that it's accepted as fact. Lets see some actual facts and figures to support these claims.
What they haven't reported is the fact that one local company has already been forced into liquidation by this development with the loss of several jobs!!
Who?
I would guess that would be Rockfield. Bought off for the link road ...
The local electrical company working on the construction of the site. I heard they weren't paid for some of the work that was done so had to close down.
[quote][p][bold]RogerLFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]William Rudd[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Welcome to the jungle[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TwoWheelsGood[/bold] wrote: tracyatlarge - the council and the developers have trotted out the 'over 1000 jobs' line for so long now that it's accepted as fact. Lets see some actual facts and figures to support these claims.[/p][/quote]What they haven't reported is the fact that one local company has already been forced into liquidation by this development with the loss of several jobs!![/p][/quote]Who?[/p][/quote]I would guess that would be Rockfield. Bought off for the link road ...[/p][/quote]The local electrical company working on the construction of the site. I heard they weren't paid for some of the work that was done so had to close down. Welcome to the jungle
  • Score: 8

1:05pm Wed 11 Jun 14

UK Taxpayer says...

hereford still a dump full of inbreds and scroungers
hereford still a dump full of inbreds and scroungers UK Taxpayer
  • Score: 0

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