Deal for a new Hereford fire station is approved

Deal for new Hereford Fire Station is approved

Deal for new Hereford Fire Station is approved

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THE land swap deal that gets Hereford a new fire station on the site of Herefordshire Council’s Bath Street offices has been done.

This afternoon (Mon), the council confirmed that Councillor Harry Bramer, cabinet member for contracts and assets, has approved the deal as recommended – subject to any scrutiny call-in.

Heritage campaigners have been fighting to stop the deal which see the Bath Street offices – the site of Hereford’s former working boys home – demolished.

Campaigners say the site is of specific historical significance to the city.

But the council needs to dispose of the Bath Street offices as soon as possible as staff based there move out, so as not to be left with a major cost vacant property.

The council gets the site of the current fire station in St Owen Street in return.

Hereford & Worcester Fire and Rescue Authority (HWFRA) sees  a new Hereford fire station as a priority saying the present station is not fit for present and future operation and has funds available for a re-location.

The council says the land swap deal can secure the equivalent of market value for the site with a quick disposal and the facility to generate a capital receipt.

Demolition costs will be covered by HWFRA

The council faced vociferous opposition to its plan for the site.  Last week, an alternative was pitched that put the new fire station on the site of the present county bus station.

Heritage campaigners, in particular,  make a preservation case for the offices as city’s former working boys home, despite English Heritage turning down a listing application.

Other concerns question the need for a new fire station and the suitability of Bath Street  for that station.

Founded in 1875, the Hereford and District Working Boys’ Home and Industrial School was supported by city benefactor John Venn.

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4:28pm Mon 14 Apr 14

AylestoneVoice says...

More smoke and mirrors from Planet Brockington. It is not surprising and it goes like this:-
A decision has been made by the politicians - then officers are told to write a report and recommendation that suits the decision already made.
More smoke and mirrors from Planet Brockington. It is not surprising and it goes like this:- A decision has been made by the politicians - then officers are told to write a report and recommendation that suits the decision already made. AylestoneVoice
  • Score: 4

5:37pm Mon 14 Apr 14

mizza21 says...

Appalling vandalism of Hereford's history.

What a disgrace that they are allowed to do this.
Appalling vandalism of Hereford's history. What a disgrace that they are allowed to do this. mizza21
  • Score: -2

6:01pm Mon 14 Apr 14

dippyhippy says...

Herefords history, heritage and character are being eroded, by people who do not even reside in this city. This should not be allowed to happen. This decision needs to be called in to scrutiny.
We need to start protecting our city from these short sighted fools, who haven't even seriously considered a viable alternative.
Shame on them.
Herefords history, heritage and character are being eroded, by people who do not even reside in this city. This should not be allowed to happen. This decision needs to be called in to scrutiny. We need to start protecting our city from these short sighted fools, who haven't even seriously considered a viable alternative. Shame on them. dippyhippy
  • Score: 9

6:26pm Mon 14 Apr 14

saidflo says...

Anyone at all surprised about this?

This decision stinks to high heaven!!

A new fire station re-sited to Bath Road - why re-site to an even more traffic congested site if there is a chance to move to a SENSIBLE site?

"But the council needs to dispose of the Bath Street offices as soon as possible as staff based there move out, so as not to be left with a major cost vacant property." WHY? It's made to sound like a major disaster, instead of the valuable asset it really is, which really belongs to the council tax payer i.e. Me. How is this getting best value from assets held?

Puzzled by this repetitive car park planning.
Is this some kind of fetish Cllr Bramer?
Anyone at all surprised about this? This decision stinks to high heaven!! A new fire station re-sited to Bath Road - why re-site to an even more traffic congested site if there is a chance to move to a SENSIBLE site? "But the council needs to dispose of the Bath Street offices as soon as possible as staff based there move out, so as not to be left with a major cost vacant property." WHY? It's made to sound like a major disaster, instead of the valuable asset it really is, which really belongs to the council tax payer i.e. Me. How is this getting best value from assets held? Puzzled by this repetitive car park planning. Is this some kind of fetish Cllr Bramer? saidflo
  • Score: 3

6:58pm Mon 14 Apr 14

TwoWheelsGood says...

'Deal for a new Hereford fire station is approved' - it’s a minor matter I know, but there is the question of applications for planning permission and conservation area consent to be submitted and determined, so not quite done yet.
'Deal for a new Hereford fire station is approved' - it’s a minor matter I know, but there is the question of applications for planning permission and conservation area consent to be submitted and determined, so not quite done yet. TwoWheelsGood
  • Score: 6

7:01pm Mon 14 Apr 14

TwoWheelsGood says...

'… so as not to be left with a major cost vacant property.' This doesn't make sense - they've swapped one major cost vacant property for another - so they're still left with a major cost vacant property. If it is to be demolished, that will be a significant further cost.
'… so as not to be left with a major cost vacant property.' This doesn't make sense - they've swapped one major cost vacant property for another - so they're still left with a major cost vacant property. If it is to be demolished, that will be a significant further cost. TwoWheelsGood
  • Score: -1

8:18pm Mon 14 Apr 14

littlewhitebull says...

The fire station used to be in Bath Street. The 'new' fire station in St, Owens Street opened in 1951. It was actually opened by the then Home Secretary, James Chuter Ede. The plaque unveiled at the opening in 1951 used to be above the entrance to the fire station, but was moved inside several years ago.
The present fire station was widely used back in the 1960s/70s'80s. I went there for first aid courses, dances, whist drives, etc.
A lovely old building - I shall be sorry to see it go.
The fire station used to be in Bath Street. The 'new' fire station in St, Owens Street opened in 1951. It was actually opened by the then Home Secretary, James Chuter Ede. The plaque unveiled at the opening in 1951 used to be above the entrance to the fire station, but was moved inside several years ago. The present fire station was widely used back in the 1960s/70s'80s. I went there for first aid courses, dances, whist drives, etc. A lovely old building - I shall be sorry to see it go. littlewhitebull
  • Score: 3

8:25pm Mon 14 Apr 14

Grid Knocker says...

@saidflo: couldn't agree with you more. This lot has done some pretty questionable things in its time (handing over £500K to a developer who threatened to walk away from the Old Market scheme) then shredding all the records of the fatuously-incompeten
t Hereford Futures.

But this one just STINKS TO HIGH HEAVEN. An entire Cabinet declines to discuss a pending deal to dispose of a valuable asset (on a Friday afternoon); then low and behold a single Cabinet member turns up at Brockington Towers the following Monday and 'signs off' the deal!
@saidflo: couldn't agree with you more. This lot has done some pretty questionable things in its time (handing over £500K to a developer who threatened to walk away from the Old Market scheme) then shredding all the records of the fatuously-incompeten t Hereford Futures. But this one just STINKS TO HIGH HEAVEN. An entire Cabinet declines to discuss a pending deal to dispose of a valuable asset (on a Friday afternoon); then low and behold a single Cabinet member turns up at Brockington Towers the following Monday and 'signs off' the deal! Grid Knocker
  • Score: 3

9:57pm Mon 14 Apr 14

dippyhippy says...

That ducks quacking again Grid Knocker!

In two years time, the councils own time frame, The County Bus Station will besurplus to requirements.
The council have already said they want a "transport hub" situated by the train station.
It would be far more cost effective to bring this plan forward, and allow a new fire station to be built on the bus station land.
Then both The Boys Home, and The Fire Station buildings, could potentially be converted into much needed housing.

Where, precisely, are the overwhelming arguments against the above proposal?
There aren't any - because its joined up thinking, and basic common sense.
Oh, but I forgot.....the council is sadly lacking in the common sense department.
That ducks quacking again Grid Knocker! In two years time, the councils own time frame, The County Bus Station will besurplus to requirements. The council have already said they want a "transport hub" situated by the train station. It would be far more cost effective to bring this plan forward, and allow a new fire station to be built on the bus station land. Then both The Boys Home, and The Fire Station buildings, could potentially be converted into much needed housing. Where, precisely, are the overwhelming arguments against the above proposal? There aren't any - because its joined up thinking, and basic common sense. Oh, but I forgot.....the council is sadly lacking in the common sense department. dippyhippy
  • Score: 8

9:42am Tue 15 Apr 14

Ubique1 says...

Re the County Bus Station surplus to requirements in two years - the Council will then build a multi-storey car park on it stating that they are helping visitors to the hospital by supplying a cleaner option for parking.
Re the County Bus Station surplus to requirements in two years - the Council will then build a multi-storey car park on it stating that they are helping visitors to the hospital by supplying a cleaner option for parking. Ubique1
  • Score: 2

12:52pm Tue 15 Apr 14

saidflo says...

This land swap deal is yet another one of the stinkiest I have come across in Herefordshire.
The "cabinet" say any glib nonsense to justify the "smelly stuff"!
Because they do get away with it and think they can carry on!!

I am incensed! -why do the majority of ratepayers act like sheep and just swallow this, letting "them" get away with it time and again?
This land swap deal is yet another one of the stinkiest I have come across in Herefordshire. The "cabinet" say any glib nonsense to justify the "smelly stuff"! Because they do get away with it and think they can carry on!! I am incensed! -why do the majority of ratepayers act like sheep and just swallow this, letting "them" get away with it time and again? saidflo
  • Score: 2

2:43pm Tue 15 Apr 14

Herefordian07 says...

siadflo, this is Herefordshire council's idea of democracy at work again, hundreds of people opposing the destruction of our city's heritage and yet it only takes one cabinet member to sign it off, I do hope that Putin and Kim Jong Un don't get to hear of the awesome power that our Hereford council cabinet holds and wields, otherwise they might see them as a threat to world domination and regard us as a potential target for invasion. Our only salvation to this is we have no public conveniences - that should put them off from coming here!
siadflo, this is Herefordshire council's idea of democracy at work again, hundreds of people opposing the destruction of our city's heritage and yet it only takes one cabinet member to sign it off, I do hope that Putin and Kim Jong Un don't get to hear of the awesome power that our Hereford council cabinet holds and wields, otherwise they might see them as a threat to world domination and regard us as a potential target for invasion. Our only salvation to this is we have no public conveniences - that should put them off from coming here! Herefordian07
  • Score: 4

9:35pm Tue 15 Apr 14

AndrewSyewtree says...

Why on earth are we proposing to demolish a building range that constitutes some of the most architecturally interesting in Hereford and also very attractive as conversion possibilities for residential use.
The potential to produce that mix of residential, commercial and retail space in the city centre provides a lifeline for a vibrant Hereford in the future.
Even should we require a single, large site for a super fire station and I wonder if there are not other models which meet service needs in less congested locations, there is a plethora of low quality sites in the vicinity. I for one remember the rather attractive County library building which had to make way for the current multi-story car park, decades below. Why do we value so little the built environment in Hereford?
Why on earth are we proposing to demolish a building range that constitutes some of the most architecturally interesting in Hereford and also very attractive as conversion possibilities for residential use. The potential to produce that mix of residential, commercial and retail space in the city centre provides a lifeline for a vibrant Hereford in the future. Even should we require a single, large site for a super fire station and I wonder if there are not other models which meet service needs in less congested locations, there is a plethora of low quality sites in the vicinity. I for one remember the rather attractive County library building which had to make way for the current multi-story car park, decades below. Why do we value so little the built environment in Hereford? AndrewSyewtree
  • Score: 7

7:25am Thu 17 Apr 14

Grid Knocker says...

@dippy: sorry this is not a diversion, more a terminological inexactidue.

It is incorrect to refer to the operation behind the Odeon as The Country Bus Station. A woeful misnomer. Worcester has a proper bus station: buses come and go; there's a nice warm waiting room; there are gents in dark blue uniforms who you can talk to; there are electronic information signboards; there are shops. THAT'S a bus station.

The thing behind the Odeon is what we transportation anoraks refer to as The-Country-Not-Real
ly-A-Bus-Station-At-
All. Hope that clears that up.
@dippy: sorry this is not a diversion, more a terminological inexactidue. It is incorrect to refer to the operation behind the Odeon as The Country Bus Station. A woeful misnomer. Worcester has a proper bus station: buses come and go; there's a nice warm waiting room; there are gents in dark blue uniforms who you can talk to; there are electronic information signboards; there are shops. THAT'S a bus station. The thing behind the Odeon is what we transportation anoraks refer to as The-Country-Not-Real ly-A-Bus-Station-At- All. Hope that clears that up. Grid Knocker
  • Score: 5

10:05am Thu 17 Apr 14

Eignstein says...

I propose swapping the police station with the new lapdancing club in Worcester.
I propose swapping the police station with the new lapdancing club in Worcester. Eignstein
  • Score: 0

4:21pm Thu 17 Apr 14

dippyhippy says...

Quite right GK!
I hadn't thought about that before!

Worcesters' Bus Station is undercover, with staff always available, seating,heating and......toilets!!

In Hereford's case?
Less "bus station," more..."bus stop."
Quite right GK! I hadn't thought about that before! Worcesters' Bus Station is undercover, with staff always available, seating,heating and......toilets!! In Hereford's case? Less "bus station," more..."bus stop." dippyhippy
  • Score: 7

8:38am Sat 19 Apr 14

Grid Knocker says...

...and can someone please explain why they keep referring to a 'deal' - as in some super-saving supermarket offer?

From where I'm standing it looks more like a give-away!
...and can someone please explain why they keep referring to a 'deal' - as in some super-saving supermarket offer? From where I'm standing it looks more like a give-away! Grid Knocker
  • Score: 2

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