Big opening announced for Hereford's Old Market

Hereford Times: Construction work continuing on the Waitrose building. Construction work continuing on the Waitrose building.

APRIL 17 is D-Day for the much anticipated Old Market in Hereford, with eight companies circling the date in their diaries for their big openings.

Along with Waitrose, Debenhams, TK Maxx, Next, L’Occitane, Fatface, Clarks and Costa are all on track to open their doors on that Thursday.

Stanhope’s Gary Bourne said: “We’re excited to confirm the first stores will open their doors on April 17.

“More shops and restaurants – along with the new six-screen Odeon cinema – ¬ will open in the weeks thereafter.”

With fitting times varying from unit to unit, the development will operate a graduated opening, with H&M currently the final store set to open in Autumn.

Mr Bourne added: “We are pleased to report that Old Market is now over 90 percent prelet or under offer.

"And we look forward to announcing the next tranche of exciting retailers before the scheme opens in April.”

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12:10pm Thu 20 Feb 14

Tinalin says...

I for one am looking forward to it and I also believe it will invigorate the old town too. As it not 'out of town' as many are saying. If it was being built on the race course as an extention of the area where Dunelm/Halfords are . . . THAT would be out of town and would be detrimental to the main town area.
I for one am looking forward to it and I also believe it will invigorate the old town too. As it not 'out of town' as many are saying. If it was being built on the race course as an extention of the area where Dunelm/Halfords are . . . THAT would be out of town and would be detrimental to the main town area. Tinalin

12:48pm Thu 20 Feb 14

drjazz says...

"the next tranche of exciting retailers" - really? What's so exciting about generic cloned shops that every other place has got? Pretty soon it won't make any difference where you live - everywhere will look the same.
"the next tranche of exciting retailers" - really? What's so exciting about generic cloned shops that every other place has got? Pretty soon it won't make any difference where you live - everywhere will look the same. drjazz

3:59pm Thu 20 Feb 14

herefordman99 says...

i'd rather spend the hour and a half it'll take to get into town travelling to Bristol or Gloucester
i'd rather spend the hour and a half it'll take to get into town travelling to Bristol or Gloucester herefordman99

7:40pm Thu 20 Feb 14

suttondad says...

so all of these shops will close their high town branches when?
so all of these shops will close their high town branches when? suttondad

10:13pm Thu 20 Feb 14

ad47uk says...

herefordman99 wrote:
i'd rather spend the hour and a half it'll take to get into town travelling to Bristol or Gloucester
i agree to be honest, more interesting than Hereford to be honest. new shops are not going to make the city better, it is just going to make Stanhope more money and these big shops more money.

There is still nothing there that I have seen to interest me.
[quote][p][bold]herefordman99[/bold] wrote: i'd rather spend the hour and a half it'll take to get into town travelling to Bristol or Gloucester[/p][/quote]i agree to be honest, more interesting than Hereford to be honest. new shops are not going to make the city better, it is just going to make Stanhope more money and these big shops more money. There is still nothing there that I have seen to interest me. ad47uk

7:20am Fri 21 Feb 14

Tinalin says...

Herefordman99 - funny name for someone that doesn't like Hereford
Herefordman99 - funny name for someone that doesn't like Hereford Tinalin

7:35am Fri 21 Feb 14

drjazz says...

Tinalin wrote:
Herefordman99 - funny name for someone that doesn't like Hereford
In what way could his name possibly be funny? Presumably he's a man from Hereford - and that's nothing to laugh about!
[quote][p][bold]Tinalin[/bold] wrote: Herefordman99 - funny name for someone that doesn't like Hereford[/p][/quote]In what way could his name possibly be funny? Presumably he's a man from Hereford - and that's nothing to laugh about! drjazz

8:18am Fri 21 Feb 14

herefordman99 says...

drjazz wrote:
Tinalin wrote: Herefordman99 - funny name for someone that doesn't like Hereford
In what way could his name possibly be funny? Presumably he's a man from Hereford - and that's nothing to laugh about!
Hereford born and bred, have lived here all my life and have been slowly watching the city die. Shops closing, infrastructure crumbling and a general decline everywhere you look.
Just look at Maylord Orchards - for the first 10 years or so it was thriving, with shops that drew you in, now look at it, not much left at all.
[quote][p][bold]drjazz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tinalin[/bold] wrote: Herefordman99 - funny name for someone that doesn't like Hereford[/p][/quote]In what way could his name possibly be funny? Presumably he's a man from Hereford - and that's nothing to laugh about![/p][/quote]Hereford born and bred, have lived here all my life and have been slowly watching the city die. Shops closing, infrastructure crumbling and a general decline everywhere you look. Just look at Maylord Orchards - for the first 10 years or so it was thriving, with shops that drew you in, now look at it, not much left at all. herefordman99

11:27am Fri 21 Feb 14

walter b says...

In my opinion Hereford is 20 years behind the times .We need a ring road and better parking for people to come to shop
In my opinion Hereford is 20 years behind the times .We need a ring road and better parking for people to come to shop walter b

12:11pm Fri 21 Feb 14

Grid Knocker says...

Would it not have been more honest of Mr Bourne if he had qualified his 'pre-let or under offer' remark by telling us that some lucky traders in the Old Market development will be occupying their premises rent-free until 2019?
Would it not have been more honest of Mr Bourne if he had qualified his 'pre-let or under offer' remark by telling us that some lucky traders in the Old Market development will be occupying their premises rent-free until 2019? Grid Knocker

12:23pm Fri 21 Feb 14

dodger3 says...

Dammned if you do, dammed if you don't, for yonks locals have bemoaned the lack of decent shopping facilities in Hereford, grumbled about our one screen cinema. Soon that will all change-and still they will grumble. Hereford like many Cities have suffered in recent years, andspending will struggle for some years yet, but there are glimmers of hope, 'Skylon' will hopefully bring some solid employment.
I for one will support our City by spending some of my meagre spare cash locally and not in Gloucester, Worcester or Brizzel.
Dammned if you do, dammed if you don't, for yonks locals have bemoaned the lack of decent shopping facilities in Hereford, grumbled about our one screen cinema. Soon that will all change-and still they will grumble. Hereford like many Cities have suffered in recent years, andspending will struggle for some years yet, but there are glimmers of hope, 'Skylon' will hopefully bring some solid employment. I for one will support our City by spending some of my meagre spare cash locally and not in Gloucester, Worcester or Brizzel. dodger3

1:31pm Fri 21 Feb 14

herefordman99 says...

dodger3 wrote:
Dammned if you do, dammed if you don't, for yonks locals have bemoaned the lack of decent shopping facilities in Hereford, grumbled about our one screen cinema. Soon that will all change-and still they will grumble. Hereford like many Cities have suffered in recent years, andspending will struggle for some years yet, but there are glimmers of hope, 'Skylon' will hopefully bring some solid employment. I for one will support our City by spending some of my meagre spare cash locally and not in Gloucester, Worcester or Brizzel.
Couldn't agree more. Yes Hereford will benefit from these new facilites, but unfortunately, they should have been built at the end of last century. Just look at how Worcester Crowngate has flourished.
There are people out there that will use it, fair enough. Personally though (and it is my opinion) I won't.
I don't (and can't afford) to shop at Debenhams or Waitrose, both of which are over priced - even though I work full time and earn a good wage. As for the multitude of fast food outlets, well, that can only increase the amount of litter and overweight teenagers roaming around the city.
I can appreciate the "attraction" of a multi screen cinema - 15 years ago when they were all the rage, but in this modern world, where you can watch films at home on TV screens the size of cinema screens of old for either free or a small charge - why pay anything from £8 each (so £32 minimum for 4, plus parking) to do the same at a cinema? Personally i'd rather stay at home where at least you can pause the film to pop to the loo if needed (or refill the popcorn)
[quote][p][bold]dodger3[/bold] wrote: Dammned if you do, dammed if you don't, for yonks locals have bemoaned the lack of decent shopping facilities in Hereford, grumbled about our one screen cinema. Soon that will all change-and still they will grumble. Hereford like many Cities have suffered in recent years, andspending will struggle for some years yet, but there are glimmers of hope, 'Skylon' will hopefully bring some solid employment. I for one will support our City by spending some of my meagre spare cash locally and not in Gloucester, Worcester or Brizzel.[/p][/quote]Couldn't agree more. Yes Hereford will benefit from these new facilites, but unfortunately, they should have been built at the end of last century. Just look at how Worcester Crowngate has flourished. There are people out there that will use it, fair enough. Personally though (and it is my opinion) I won't. I don't (and can't afford) to shop at Debenhams or Waitrose, both of which are over priced - even though I work full time and earn a good wage. As for the multitude of fast food outlets, well, that can only increase the amount of litter and overweight teenagers roaming around the city. I can appreciate the "attraction" of a multi screen cinema - 15 years ago when they were all the rage, but in this modern world, where you can watch films at home on TV screens the size of cinema screens of old for either free or a small charge - why pay anything from £8 each (so £32 minimum for 4, plus parking) to do the same at a cinema? Personally i'd rather stay at home where at least you can pause the film to pop to the loo if needed (or refill the popcorn) herefordman99

3:07pm Fri 21 Feb 14

dodger3 says...

So! Herefordian, I'm confused, why waste money going to Gloucester or Brizzel-they have more fast food outlets and over weight people than Hereford, their cinemas charge the same, and don't even talk about parking charges. I love an occasional trip to the movies, it still holds a sort of magic for me.All I'm trying to
relate Herefordian, is lets get behind the new Hereford, you can still shop at Lidl or Aldi for value.
So! Herefordian, I'm confused, why waste money going to Gloucester or Brizzel-they have more fast food outlets and over weight people than Hereford, their cinemas charge the same, and don't even talk about parking charges. I love an occasional trip to the movies, it still holds a sort of magic for me.All I'm trying to relate Herefordian, is lets get behind the new Hereford, you can still shop at Lidl or Aldi for value. dodger3

3:07pm Fri 21 Feb 14

jarvis 2 says...

who chose the name Old market it will end up like the rest of hereford drab due to lack of investment etc. whats the story here anyway just a few shops opening car parking fees goping up and yet more road caose who in there right mind wants tosit in there car for 1 hour to get from red hill to town pay an over the top parking fee to use shops that are in worcester and gloucester. If the roads were right and the charges were right to park then yes it would be good for hereford by be real tthis council will line there pockets and people go else where
who chose the name Old market it will end up like the rest of hereford drab due to lack of investment etc. whats the story here anyway just a few shops opening car parking fees goping up and yet more road caose who in there right mind wants tosit in there car for 1 hour to get from red hill to town pay an over the top parking fee to use shops that are in worcester and gloucester. If the roads were right and the charges were right to park then yes it would be good for hereford by be real tthis council will line there pockets and people go else where jarvis 2

4:40pm Fri 21 Feb 14

herefordman99 says...

dodger3 wrote:
So! Herefordian, I'm confused, why waste money going to Gloucester or Brizzel-they have more fast food outlets and over weight people than Hereford, their cinemas charge the same, and don't even talk about parking charges. I love an occasional trip to the movies, it still holds a sort of magic for me.All I'm trying to relate Herefordian, is lets get behind the new Hereford, you can still shop at Lidl or Aldi for value.
You are missing my point - it will be a novelty for a few months (possibly years) before people get fed up of sitting in the traffic to go there, and start migrating to shopping centres with better road access. I don't even goto high town much these days - there are no shops there that i would go in. I don't buy designer labels (why pay £50 for a pair of jeans just because they say Levi on them???) never have. I cringe at paying more than £4 for a T shirt. That's not becuase i can't afford to pay silly money for things just to conform with the rest of the retail sheep, i just can't see the point. I have never been to Gloucester Quays, or Bristol shopping, and have no intention of doing so - why travel all that distance when i can stay at home and order it and have it delivered, or nip to Tesco and grab a T shirt and jeans with the weekly shop?
Shopping centres in this day and age are dinosaurs of the past - more people avoid them and shop online now than ever before, it's a well known fact. It will be a short lived fad same as Maylords unfortunately.
[quote][p][bold]dodger3[/bold] wrote: So! Herefordian, I'm confused, why waste money going to Gloucester or Brizzel-they have more fast food outlets and over weight people than Hereford, their cinemas charge the same, and don't even talk about parking charges. I love an occasional trip to the movies, it still holds a sort of magic for me.All I'm trying to relate Herefordian, is lets get behind the new Hereford, you can still shop at Lidl or Aldi for value.[/p][/quote]You are missing my point - it will be a novelty for a few months (possibly years) before people get fed up of sitting in the traffic to go there, and start migrating to shopping centres with better road access. I don't even goto high town much these days - there are no shops there that i would go in. I don't buy designer labels (why pay £50 for a pair of jeans just because they say Levi on them???) never have. I cringe at paying more than £4 for a T shirt. That's not becuase i can't afford to pay silly money for things just to conform with the rest of the retail sheep, i just can't see the point. I have never been to Gloucester Quays, or Bristol shopping, and have no intention of doing so - why travel all that distance when i can stay at home and order it and have it delivered, or nip to Tesco and grab a T shirt and jeans with the weekly shop? Shopping centres in this day and age are dinosaurs of the past - more people avoid them and shop online now than ever before, it's a well known fact. It will be a short lived fad same as Maylords unfortunately. herefordman99

7:48pm Fri 21 Feb 14

William Rudd says...

herefordman99 wrote:
dodger3 wrote:
So! Herefordian, I'm confused, why waste money going to Gloucester or Brizzel-they have more fast food outlets and over weight people than Hereford, their cinemas charge the same, and don't even talk about parking charges. I love an occasional trip to the movies, it still holds a sort of magic for me.All I'm trying to relate Herefordian, is lets get behind the new Hereford, you can still shop at Lidl or Aldi for value.
You are missing my point - it will be a novelty for a few months (possibly years) before people get fed up of sitting in the traffic to go there, and start migrating to shopping centres with better road access. I don't even goto high town much these days - there are no shops there that i would go in. I don't buy designer labels (why pay £50 for a pair of jeans just because they say Levi on them???) never have. I cringe at paying more than £4 for a T shirt. That's not becuase i can't afford to pay silly money for things just to conform with the rest of the retail sheep, i just can't see the point. I have never been to Gloucester Quays, or Bristol shopping, and have no intention of doing so - why travel all that distance when i can stay at home and order it and have it delivered, or nip to Tesco and grab a T shirt and jeans with the weekly shop?
Shopping centres in this day and age are dinosaurs of the past - more people avoid them and shop online now than ever before, it's a well known fact. It will be a short lived fad same as Maylords unfortunately.
It's not a bloody shopping centre
[quote][p][bold]herefordman99[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dodger3[/bold] wrote: So! Herefordian, I'm confused, why waste money going to Gloucester or Brizzel-they have more fast food outlets and over weight people than Hereford, their cinemas charge the same, and don't even talk about parking charges. I love an occasional trip to the movies, it still holds a sort of magic for me.All I'm trying to relate Herefordian, is lets get behind the new Hereford, you can still shop at Lidl or Aldi for value.[/p][/quote]You are missing my point - it will be a novelty for a few months (possibly years) before people get fed up of sitting in the traffic to go there, and start migrating to shopping centres with better road access. I don't even goto high town much these days - there are no shops there that i would go in. I don't buy designer labels (why pay £50 for a pair of jeans just because they say Levi on them???) never have. I cringe at paying more than £4 for a T shirt. That's not becuase i can't afford to pay silly money for things just to conform with the rest of the retail sheep, i just can't see the point. I have never been to Gloucester Quays, or Bristol shopping, and have no intention of doing so - why travel all that distance when i can stay at home and order it and have it delivered, or nip to Tesco and grab a T shirt and jeans with the weekly shop? Shopping centres in this day and age are dinosaurs of the past - more people avoid them and shop online now than ever before, it's a well known fact. It will be a short lived fad same as Maylords unfortunately.[/p][/quote]It's not a bloody shopping centre William Rudd

7:48pm Fri 21 Feb 14

William Rudd says...

herefordman99 wrote:
dodger3 wrote:
So! Herefordian, I'm confused, why waste money going to Gloucester or Brizzel-they have more fast food outlets and over weight people than Hereford, their cinemas charge the same, and don't even talk about parking charges. I love an occasional trip to the movies, it still holds a sort of magic for me.All I'm trying to relate Herefordian, is lets get behind the new Hereford, you can still shop at Lidl or Aldi for value.
You are missing my point - it will be a novelty for a few months (possibly years) before people get fed up of sitting in the traffic to go there, and start migrating to shopping centres with better road access. I don't even goto high town much these days - there are no shops there that i would go in. I don't buy designer labels (why pay £50 for a pair of jeans just because they say Levi on them???) never have. I cringe at paying more than £4 for a T shirt. That's not becuase i can't afford to pay silly money for things just to conform with the rest of the retail sheep, i just can't see the point. I have never been to Gloucester Quays, or Bristol shopping, and have no intention of doing so - why travel all that distance when i can stay at home and order it and have it delivered, or nip to Tesco and grab a T shirt and jeans with the weekly shop?
Shopping centres in this day and age are dinosaurs of the past - more people avoid them and shop online now than ever before, it's a well known fact. It will be a short lived fad same as Maylords unfortunately.
It's not a bloody shopping centre
[quote][p][bold]herefordman99[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dodger3[/bold] wrote: So! Herefordian, I'm confused, why waste money going to Gloucester or Brizzel-they have more fast food outlets and over weight people than Hereford, their cinemas charge the same, and don't even talk about parking charges. I love an occasional trip to the movies, it still holds a sort of magic for me.All I'm trying to relate Herefordian, is lets get behind the new Hereford, you can still shop at Lidl or Aldi for value.[/p][/quote]You are missing my point - it will be a novelty for a few months (possibly years) before people get fed up of sitting in the traffic to go there, and start migrating to shopping centres with better road access. I don't even goto high town much these days - there are no shops there that i would go in. I don't buy designer labels (why pay £50 for a pair of jeans just because they say Levi on them???) never have. I cringe at paying more than £4 for a T shirt. That's not becuase i can't afford to pay silly money for things just to conform with the rest of the retail sheep, i just can't see the point. I have never been to Gloucester Quays, or Bristol shopping, and have no intention of doing so - why travel all that distance when i can stay at home and order it and have it delivered, or nip to Tesco and grab a T shirt and jeans with the weekly shop? Shopping centres in this day and age are dinosaurs of the past - more people avoid them and shop online now than ever before, it's a well known fact. It will be a short lived fad same as Maylords unfortunately.[/p][/quote]It's not a bloody shopping centre William Rudd

6:26am Sat 22 Feb 14

B the B says...

In my opinion its the best thing that has happened to our city in years, shame there isn't a better link to the city centre like a raised walk way (covered) but I expect that's to ambitious for us. Next on the agenda should be a decent bypass.
In my opinion its the best thing that has happened to our city in years, shame there isn't a better link to the city centre like a raised walk way (covered) but I expect that's to ambitious for us. Next on the agenda should be a decent bypass. B the B

3:03pm Sat 22 Feb 14

ad47uk says...

B the B wrote:
In my opinion its the best thing that has happened to our city in years, shame there isn't a better link to the city centre like a raised walk way (covered) but I expect that's to ambitious for us. Next on the agenda should be a decent bypass.
I have no idea why they did not keep the underpass to be honest, so instead of going under the road which is safer, people have to dart across the road.

i agree with William Rudd, it will be a novelty for a while and then people will get fed up of the traffic and will go elsewhere. It may keep people here shopping, but then again it may not,, cheaper to get many things online these days, which is why Debenhams had such a naff Christmas
As for all the eateries, how many of then will survive for any length of time as they are not cheap? No doubt the youngsters will use them as they seem to have money coming out of their ears.
Myself I prefer to go home and get food, better quality as well, not fast food muck.
[quote][p][bold]B the B[/bold] wrote: In my opinion its the best thing that has happened to our city in years, shame there isn't a better link to the city centre like a raised walk way (covered) but I expect that's to ambitious for us. Next on the agenda should be a decent bypass.[/p][/quote]I have no idea why they did not keep the underpass to be honest, so instead of going under the road which is safer, people have to dart across the road. i agree with William Rudd, it will be a novelty for a while and then people will get fed up of the traffic and will go elsewhere. It may keep people here shopping, but then again it may not,, cheaper to get many things online these days, which is why Debenhams had such a naff Christmas As for all the eateries, how many of then will survive for any length of time as they are not cheap? No doubt the youngsters will use them as they seem to have money coming out of their ears. Myself I prefer to go home and get food, better quality as well, not fast food muck. ad47uk

6:46pm Sat 22 Feb 14

mizza21 says...

So most people on here disapprove of this backward vanity white elephant then?
Seems like there's the odd over vocal supporter on here but most people I talk to in Hereford don't want their money wasted on it.
So most people on here disapprove of this backward vanity white elephant then? Seems like there's the odd over vocal supporter on here but most people I talk to in Hereford don't want their money wasted on it. mizza21

9:46pm Sat 22 Feb 14

William Rudd says...

Have never disapproved of it,far from it. They could of built it out of cow s**t for all I care.It's creating loads of jobs for people and who cares if they are part time min wage etc.Getting a job at Tesco some 30 years ago pulled me out of the gutter.
Mizza,I have been following the building of the new shopping malls on facebook.(hereford cattle market development) has well over 7,000 likes so I guess you are in the minority.
Have never disapproved of it,far from it. They could of built it out of cow s**t for all I care.It's creating loads of jobs for people and who cares if they are part time min wage etc.Getting a job at Tesco some 30 years ago pulled me out of the gutter. Mizza,I have been following the building of the new shopping malls on facebook.(hereford cattle market development) has well over 7,000 likes so I guess you are in the minority. William Rudd

10:33pm Sat 22 Feb 14

mizza21 says...

7000 likes on facebook?
Well that settles it then...

Shall I tell you how many followers I have on the twitter?
7000 likes on facebook? Well that settles it then... Shall I tell you how many followers I have on the twitter? mizza21

10:44pm Sat 22 Feb 14

ad47uk says...

William Rudd wrote:
Have never disapproved of it,far from it. They could of built it out of cow s**t for all I care.It's creating loads of jobs for people and who cares if they are part time min wage etc.Getting a job at Tesco some 30 years ago pulled me out of the gutter.
Mizza,I have been following the building of the new shopping malls on facebook.(hereford cattle market development) has well over 7,000 likes so I guess you are in the minority.
i said it before in another post, part time jobs are no good, they are no good for people and they are no good for this country.

How many of these people in these jobs are going to pay tax? very few. You can't get a country out of debt if no one is paying tax.
[quote][p][bold]William Rudd[/bold] wrote: Have never disapproved of it,far from it. They could of built it out of cow s**t for all I care.It's creating loads of jobs for people and who cares if they are part time min wage etc.Getting a job at Tesco some 30 years ago pulled me out of the gutter. Mizza,I have been following the building of the new shopping malls on facebook.(hereford cattle market development) has well over 7,000 likes so I guess you are in the minority.[/p][/quote]i said it before in another post, part time jobs are no good, they are no good for people and they are no good for this country. How many of these people in these jobs are going to pay tax? very few. You can't get a country out of debt if no one is paying tax. ad47uk

10:50pm Sat 22 Feb 14

ad47uk says...

I went up to have a look at this home Bargains today, even late evening it was still packed. It shows how many people are trying to save money, in that places like doing well and other places are not doing so well. Lets see how many people in Hereford can afford Waitrose prices or any other store prices on the gird for that matter.
I can see some very aggressive sales from the start to be honest. I tell you now, a lot of people I know will not be able to afford to shop at the grid, because they are in these part time jobs that William Rudd keeps telling us is so good.
I went up to have a look at this home Bargains today, even late evening it was still packed. It shows how many people are trying to save money, in that places like doing well and other places are not doing so well. Lets see how many people in Hereford can afford Waitrose prices or any other store prices on the gird for that matter. I can see some very aggressive sales from the start to be honest. I tell you now, a lot of people I know will not be able to afford to shop at the grid, because they are in these part time jobs that William Rudd keeps telling us is so good. ad47uk

11:22am Mon 24 Feb 14

MattCox says...

A little while ago all the comments were of the "it's never going to happen" variety, now it's "it won't last" so I suspect that in due course the comments will be "They should have done it years ago, always said we needed a decent shopping centre".

The vast investment of private money in improving Hereford's shopping and leisure facilities should be welcomed. Inevitably some shops will open and, after a while, close -think back to chains like Bejams, Freeman Hardy & Willis - as tastes change, shops come and go BUT that doesn't mean the whole project failed.

And I agree, the road network needs more improvement BUT it is a bit chicken and egg - the costs of new roads have to be paid and building the road first (eg Rotherwas) leads to endless moans about 'roads to nowhere' - whatever happens, too many people just complain and expect instant results. Life isn't that easy and major changes have to be introduced in manageable stages.
A little while ago all the comments were of the "it's never going to happen" variety, now it's "it won't last" so I suspect that in due course the comments will be "They should have done it years ago, always said we needed a decent shopping centre". The vast investment of private money in improving Hereford's shopping and leisure facilities should be welcomed. Inevitably some shops will open and, after a while, close -think back to chains like Bejams, Freeman Hardy & Willis - as tastes change, shops come and go BUT that doesn't mean the whole project failed. And I agree, the road network needs more improvement BUT it is a bit chicken and egg - the costs of new roads have to be paid and building the road first (eg Rotherwas) leads to endless moans about 'roads to nowhere' - whatever happens, too many people just complain and expect instant results. Life isn't that easy and major changes have to be introduced in manageable stages. MattCox

1:13pm Mon 24 Feb 14

herefordman99 says...

William Rudd wrote:
herefordman99 wrote:
dodger3 wrote: So! Herefordian, I'm confused, why waste money going to Gloucester or Brizzel-they have more fast food outlets and over weight people than Hereford, their cinemas charge the same, and don't even talk about parking charges. I love an occasional trip to the movies, it still holds a sort of magic for me.All I'm trying to relate Herefordian, is lets get behind the new Hereford, you can still shop at Lidl or Aldi for value.
You are missing my point - it will be a novelty for a few months (possibly years) before people get fed up of sitting in the traffic to go there, and start migrating to shopping centres with better road access. I don't even goto high town much these days - there are no shops there that i would go in. I don't buy designer labels (why pay £50 for a pair of jeans just because they say Levi on them???) never have. I cringe at paying more than £4 for a T shirt. That's not becuase i can't afford to pay silly money for things just to conform with the rest of the retail sheep, i just can't see the point. I have never been to Gloucester Quays, or Bristol shopping, and have no intention of doing so - why travel all that distance when i can stay at home and order it and have it delivered, or nip to Tesco and grab a T shirt and jeans with the weekly shop? Shopping centres in this day and age are dinosaurs of the past - more people avoid them and shop online now than ever before, it's a well known fact. It will be a short lived fad same as Maylords unfortunately.
It's not a bloody shopping centre
Definition of shopping centre
shopping centre
n
1. (Commerce) a purpose-built complex of shops, restaurants, etc, for the use of pedestrians
2. (Human Geography) the area of a town where most of the shops are situated

so if it isn't a shopping centre, what is it??? (apart from a white elephant)
[quote][p][bold]William Rudd[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]herefordman99[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dodger3[/bold] wrote: So! Herefordian, I'm confused, why waste money going to Gloucester or Brizzel-they have more fast food outlets and over weight people than Hereford, their cinemas charge the same, and don't even talk about parking charges. I love an occasional trip to the movies, it still holds a sort of magic for me.All I'm trying to relate Herefordian, is lets get behind the new Hereford, you can still shop at Lidl or Aldi for value.[/p][/quote]You are missing my point - it will be a novelty for a few months (possibly years) before people get fed up of sitting in the traffic to go there, and start migrating to shopping centres with better road access. I don't even goto high town much these days - there are no shops there that i would go in. I don't buy designer labels (why pay £50 for a pair of jeans just because they say Levi on them???) never have. I cringe at paying more than £4 for a T shirt. That's not becuase i can't afford to pay silly money for things just to conform with the rest of the retail sheep, i just can't see the point. I have never been to Gloucester Quays, or Bristol shopping, and have no intention of doing so - why travel all that distance when i can stay at home and order it and have it delivered, or nip to Tesco and grab a T shirt and jeans with the weekly shop? Shopping centres in this day and age are dinosaurs of the past - more people avoid them and shop online now than ever before, it's a well known fact. It will be a short lived fad same as Maylords unfortunately.[/p][/quote]It's not a bloody shopping centre[/p][/quote]Definition of shopping centre shopping centre n 1. (Commerce) a purpose-built complex of shops, restaurants, etc, for the use of pedestrians 2. (Human Geography) the area of a town where most of the shops are situated so if it isn't a shopping centre, what is it??? (apart from a white elephant) herefordman99

4:13pm Mon 24 Feb 14

JollyJesterTwo says...

Grid Knocker wrote:
Would it not have been more honest of Mr Bourne if he had qualified his 'pre-let or under offer' remark by telling us that some lucky traders in the Old Market development will be occupying their premises rent-free until 2019?
What Mr Bourne also fails to mention is the number of retail premises that are emptying in what will soon be a ghost town centre. Does our intrepid council have any plans other than pound shops and charity shops for the city's central area or will it like Bristol, be destroyed when Old Market opens?
[quote][p][bold]Grid Knocker[/bold] wrote: Would it not have been more honest of Mr Bourne if he had qualified his 'pre-let or under offer' remark by telling us that some lucky traders in the Old Market development will be occupying their premises rent-free until 2019?[/p][/quote]What Mr Bourne also fails to mention is the number of retail premises that are emptying in what will soon be a ghost town centre. Does our intrepid council have any plans other than pound shops and charity shops for the city's central area or will it like Bristol, be destroyed when Old Market opens? JollyJesterTwo

4:20pm Mon 24 Feb 14

JollyJesterTwo says...

William Rudd wrote:
Have never disapproved of it,far from it. They could of built it out of cow s**t for all I care.It's creating loads of jobs for people and who cares if they are part time min wage etc.Getting a job at Tesco some 30 years ago pulled me out of the gutter.
Mizza,I have been following the building of the new shopping malls on facebook.(hereford cattle market development) has well over 7,000 likes so I guess you are in the minority.
How many of the Facebook likes even come from the county? Companies employ hosts if people to 'like' things on Facebook. It is as big a con as the suggestion that the development is creating loads of jobs!
[quote][p][bold]William Rudd[/bold] wrote: Have never disapproved of it,far from it. They could of built it out of cow s**t for all I care.It's creating loads of jobs for people and who cares if they are part time min wage etc.Getting a job at Tesco some 30 years ago pulled me out of the gutter. Mizza,I have been following the building of the new shopping malls on facebook.(hereford cattle market development) has well over 7,000 likes so I guess you are in the minority.[/p][/quote]How many of the Facebook likes even come from the county? Companies employ hosts if people to 'like' things on Facebook. It is as big a con as the suggestion that the development is creating loads of jobs! JollyJesterTwo

6:17am Tue 25 Feb 14

B the B says...

mizza21 wrote:
So most people on here disapprove of this backward vanity white elephant then?
Seems like there's the odd over vocal supporter on here but most people I talk to in Hereford don't want their money wasted on it.
You shouldn't judges everyone by what is said at your anti Hereford meetings.
Its not clear but I think there are three people on here that disapprove, some may feel that it wont make much difference but are not saying they disapprove.
Clearly you are one of these sad people that just cant wait to see things fail, I for one wish them all good wishes.
I am happy for some of my money to be invested in this project and if asked I would even pay a bit more to have a bypass. If you want to have a moan I'll back you if you moan about the fortnightly rubbish collections that going to be placed upon us later on this year.
[quote][p][bold]mizza21[/bold] wrote: So most people on here disapprove of this backward vanity white elephant then? Seems like there's the odd over vocal supporter on here but most people I talk to in Hereford don't want their money wasted on it.[/p][/quote]You shouldn't judges everyone by what is said at your anti Hereford meetings. Its not clear but I think there are three people on here that disapprove, some may feel that it wont make much difference but are not saying they disapprove. Clearly you are one of these sad people that just cant wait to see things fail, I for one wish them all good wishes. I am happy for some of my money to be invested in this project and if asked I would even pay a bit more to have a bypass. If you want to have a moan I'll back you if you moan about the fortnightly rubbish collections that going to be placed upon us later on this year. B the B

10:40am Tue 25 Feb 14

bobby47 says...

B the B, I ain't 'sad'. Far from it. Im noted for being a highly optimistic happy soul who, though often blind drunk and easily frustrated when I can't get anymore cardboard into my bloody recycling bin, is noted as being a very cheerful sort. Often, I'll stagger into the pub and they'll say, 'here he comes wearing his matching shoes. Considering he's got a clubbed foot, a harelip and he's got a map of Africa on his pants because he's wet himself, again, he is a very happy sort'.
I ain't having it! I'll be damned if I pin that label on the front of my coat and anyone who says otherwise is a rotter and a ninny. Whatsmore, as for the 'few' who object to this 'dog' of a development, which will bring about our fiscal ruin, there were once dozens of us. Some have died, some Sectioned, some have clearly had their keyboards confiscated and some have simply given up repeating their objections to the asset stripping that is now in full flow as this 'salt' covered heap of a building nears its final completion.
My warmest regards to you my friend.
B the B, I ain't 'sad'. Far from it. Im noted for being a highly optimistic happy soul who, though often blind drunk and easily frustrated when I can't get anymore cardboard into my bloody recycling bin, is noted as being a very cheerful sort. Often, I'll stagger into the pub and they'll say, 'here he comes wearing his matching shoes. Considering he's got a clubbed foot, a harelip and he's got a map of Africa on his pants because he's wet himself, again, he is a very happy sort'. I ain't having it! I'll be damned if I pin that label on the front of my coat and anyone who says otherwise is a rotter and a ninny. Whatsmore, as for the 'few' who object to this 'dog' of a development, which will bring about our fiscal ruin, there were once dozens of us. Some have died, some Sectioned, some have clearly had their keyboards confiscated and some have simply given up repeating their objections to the asset stripping that is now in full flow as this 'salt' covered heap of a building nears its final completion. My warmest regards to you my friend. bobby47

10:51am Tue 25 Feb 14

RebeccaMC says...

I certainly will never visit this monstrosaty! The funniest thing I find about the whole Hereford Grid is that it was supposed to be bringing work to the area- then why are all the labourers and contractors employed by Mc Alpine- Not local? I grew up in Hereford and was once very proud to show people around my home county and city. I remember the days of people meeting and having fun besides the FLOWER pots and TREES that once lined the centre of Hereford. I now avoid it like the plague…pound shops, phone shops, card shops, concrete, bricks, mundane, commercial, money grabbing….'Welcome to Hereford'!!! The only good thing about Herefordshire is it's beautiful countryside…but I question how long before this is ruined? Lucky for me i'm re-loacting- I won't be visiting!
I certainly will never visit this monstrosaty! The funniest thing I find about the whole Hereford Grid is that it was supposed to be bringing work to the area- then why are all the labourers and contractors employed by Mc Alpine- Not local? I grew up in Hereford and was once very proud to show people around my home county and city. I remember the days of people meeting and having fun besides the FLOWER pots and TREES that once lined the centre of Hereford. I now avoid it like the plague…pound shops, phone shops, card shops, concrete, bricks, mundane, commercial, money grabbing….'Welcome to Hereford'!!! The only good thing about Herefordshire is it's beautiful countryside…but I question how long before this is ruined? Lucky for me i'm re-loacting- I won't be visiting! RebeccaMC

10:55am Tue 25 Feb 14

mizza21 says...

au contraire BtheB. I hope it's a roaring success. That the trade brought into HEREford by the OLM development makes the rest of the city, with it's new charity shops, discount and pound shops more successful.

I like High Town. If you look above the shops there is the old Hereford from the turn of the century and beyond looking back at you. Character, history, a sense of place.
The OLM will not be there in 50 years time. It's not meant to be.
It has no character or beauty. It is a monstrous use of the worlds resources, selling the products of third world oppression.
Read 1984. Do some research into food and clothing production. You'll find it doesn't seem such a good idea once you understand where it all comes from, even the bricks, cement and steel to make it.
au contraire BtheB. I hope it's a roaring success. That the trade brought into HEREford by the OLM development makes the rest of the city, with it's new charity shops, discount and pound shops more successful. I like High Town. If you look above the shops there is the old Hereford from the turn of the century and beyond looking back at you. Character, history, a sense of place. The OLM will not be there in 50 years time. It's not meant to be. It has no character or beauty. It is a monstrous use of the worlds resources, selling the products of third world oppression. Read 1984. Do some research into food and clothing production. You'll find it doesn't seem such a good idea once you understand where it all comes from, even the bricks, cement and steel to make it. mizza21

12:05pm Tue 25 Feb 14

dippyhippy says...

Well said Mizza!
I don't welcome the arrival of mass produced goods, from chain stores that can be found in every other town and city up and down the country. Hereford is being turned into a concrete clone, and is completely failing to embrace its history and heritage.
We will leave nothing for the next generation - apart from the shell of High Town, and massive debt.
Well said Mizza! I don't welcome the arrival of mass produced goods, from chain stores that can be found in every other town and city up and down the country. Hereford is being turned into a concrete clone, and is completely failing to embrace its history and heritage. We will leave nothing for the next generation - apart from the shell of High Town, and massive debt. dippyhippy

10:38pm Tue 25 Feb 14

William Rudd says...

RebeccaMC wrote:
I certainly will never visit this monstrosaty! The funniest thing I find about the whole Hereford Grid is that it was supposed to be bringing work to the area- then why are all the labourers and contractors employed by Mc Alpine- Not local? I grew up in Hereford and was once very proud to show people around my home county and city. I remember the days of people meeting and having fun besides the FLOWER pots and TREES that once lined the centre of Hereford. I now avoid it like the plague…pound shops, phone shops, card shops, concrete, bricks, mundane, commercial, money grabbing….'Welcome to Hereford'!!! The only good thing about Herefordshire is it's beautiful countryside…but I question how long before this is ruined? Lucky for me i'm re-loacting- I won't be visiting!
Over 50% of the workforce are local.
All electrical work is being done by a Hereford firm
TJ crump are building the oak framed Costa coffee building
Pace painters are the decorators
Quick skip
24 seven security
Westcom Technical Services
[quote][p][bold]RebeccaMC[/bold] wrote: I certainly will never visit this monstrosaty! The funniest thing I find about the whole Hereford Grid is that it was supposed to be bringing work to the area- then why are all the labourers and contractors employed by Mc Alpine- Not local? I grew up in Hereford and was once very proud to show people around my home county and city. I remember the days of people meeting and having fun besides the FLOWER pots and TREES that once lined the centre of Hereford. I now avoid it like the plague…pound shops, phone shops, card shops, concrete, bricks, mundane, commercial, money grabbing….'Welcome to Hereford'!!! The only good thing about Herefordshire is it's beautiful countryside…but I question how long before this is ruined? Lucky for me i'm re-loacting- I won't be visiting![/p][/quote]Over 50% of the workforce are local. All electrical work is being done by a Hereford firm TJ crump are building the oak framed Costa coffee building Pace painters are the decorators Quick skip 24 seven security Westcom Technical Services William Rudd

6:11am Wed 26 Feb 14

B the B says...

RebeccaMC wrote:
I certainly will never visit this monstrosaty! The funniest thing I find about the whole Hereford Grid is that it was supposed to be bringing work to the area- then why are all the labourers and contractors employed by Mc Alpine- Not local? I grew up in Hereford and was once very proud to show people around my home county and city. I remember the days of people meeting and having fun besides the FLOWER pots and TREES that once lined the centre of Hereford. I now avoid it like the plague…pound shops, phone shops, card shops, concrete, bricks, mundane, commercial, money grabbing….'Welcome to Hereford'!!! The only good thing about Herefordshire is it's beautiful countryside…but I question how long before this is ruined? Lucky for me i'm re-loacting- I won't be visiting!
Goodbye !
I am also Hereford born and bred and still try and promote our city, difficult I agree, the biggest things that seem to put folk off coming are the lack of shops, the cost and lack of parking and the traffic.
Local contractors were given every opportunity to work on the site and many do.
Is it you that's lucky or Hereford? you recall the community spirit that was and here you are slagging it off and cant wait to go, bit hypocritical.
Hope you are going somewhere nice.
[quote][p][bold]RebeccaMC[/bold] wrote: I certainly will never visit this monstrosaty! The funniest thing I find about the whole Hereford Grid is that it was supposed to be bringing work to the area- then why are all the labourers and contractors employed by Mc Alpine- Not local? I grew up in Hereford and was once very proud to show people around my home county and city. I remember the days of people meeting and having fun besides the FLOWER pots and TREES that once lined the centre of Hereford. I now avoid it like the plague…pound shops, phone shops, card shops, concrete, bricks, mundane, commercial, money grabbing….'Welcome to Hereford'!!! The only good thing about Herefordshire is it's beautiful countryside…but I question how long before this is ruined? Lucky for me i'm re-loacting- I won't be visiting![/p][/quote]Goodbye ! I am also Hereford born and bred and still try and promote our city, difficult I agree, the biggest things that seem to put folk off coming are the lack of shops, the cost and lack of parking and the traffic. Local contractors were given every opportunity to work on the site and many do. Is it you that's lucky or Hereford? you recall the community spirit that was and here you are slagging it off and cant wait to go, bit hypocritical. Hope you are going somewhere nice. B the B

6:17am Wed 26 Feb 14

B the B says...

dippyhippy wrote:
Well said Mizza!
I don't welcome the arrival of mass produced goods, from chain stores that can be found in every other town and city up and down the country. Hereford is being turned into a concrete clone, and is completely failing to embrace its history and heritage.
We will leave nothing for the next generation - apart from the shell of High Town, and massive debt.
Perhaps you could explain the failing to embrace its history and heritage please.
[quote][p][bold]dippyhippy[/bold] wrote: Well said Mizza! I don't welcome the arrival of mass produced goods, from chain stores that can be found in every other town and city up and down the country. Hereford is being turned into a concrete clone, and is completely failing to embrace its history and heritage. We will leave nothing for the next generation - apart from the shell of High Town, and massive debt.[/p][/quote]Perhaps you could explain the failing to embrace its history and heritage please. B the B

12:22pm Wed 26 Feb 14

JudSawyer says...

The amount of salt leaching out of the bricks makes the Old Market Development look about 30 years old already. Most of the shops are ones relocating from the old town so there is no advantage to shoppers. I might use the cinema if they've given it a decent design but that's it. We have a young family but wonder about raising them in this dump, it might be time to relocate.
The amount of salt leaching out of the bricks makes the Old Market Development look about 30 years old already. Most of the shops are ones relocating from the old town so there is no advantage to shoppers. I might use the cinema if they've given it a decent design but that's it. We have a young family but wonder about raising them in this dump, it might be time to relocate. JudSawyer

2:17pm Wed 26 Feb 14

dippyhippy says...

B the B wrote:
dippyhippy wrote:
Well said Mizza!
I don't welcome the arrival of mass produced goods, from chain stores that can be found in every other town and city up and down the country. Hereford is being turned into a concrete clone, and is completely failing to embrace its history and heritage.
We will leave nothing for the next generation - apart from the shell of High Town, and massive debt.
Perhaps you could explain the failing to embrace its history and heritage please.
Oh B the B!!
Where to start???
There are soooo many aspects - our woefully under utilised river, the fact that historic buildings are either being sold off to be bull dozed into oblivion, or left to rot....and the monstrosity that is the OLM does absolutely nothing to enhance our city.
Whilst I agree that a cinema is a welcome addition, it has been used as a carrot to dangle under the noses of Herefordians who seem to think that having a shiny new multiplex somehow negates everything else!
Things need to move forward, absolutely, but it is to the detriment of what we have, and should be building upon!
I, like you, love Hereford, and it saddens me to see it slipping into such decline. I may be wrong. The OLM may be the answer to Herefords prayers. A soul less carbon copy of what every other city has, may well prove to be the attraction for all those tourists and would be visitors. But I just don't think it is.
By the time that fact has been established, it will be too late.
[quote][p][bold]B the B[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dippyhippy[/bold] wrote: Well said Mizza! I don't welcome the arrival of mass produced goods, from chain stores that can be found in every other town and city up and down the country. Hereford is being turned into a concrete clone, and is completely failing to embrace its history and heritage. We will leave nothing for the next generation - apart from the shell of High Town, and massive debt.[/p][/quote]Perhaps you could explain the failing to embrace its history and heritage please.[/p][/quote]Oh B the B!! Where to start??? There are soooo many aspects - our woefully under utilised river, the fact that historic buildings are either being sold off to be bull dozed into oblivion, or left to rot....and the monstrosity that is the OLM does absolutely nothing to enhance our city. Whilst I agree that a cinema is a welcome addition, it has been used as a carrot to dangle under the noses of Herefordians who seem to think that having a shiny new multiplex somehow negates everything else! Things need to move forward, absolutely, but it is to the detriment of what we have, and should be building upon! I, like you, love Hereford, and it saddens me to see it slipping into such decline. I may be wrong. The OLM may be the answer to Herefords prayers. A soul less carbon copy of what every other city has, may well prove to be the attraction for all those tourists and would be visitors. But I just don't think it is. By the time that fact has been established, it will be too late. dippyhippy

5:49pm Wed 26 Feb 14

A55K1KKR says...

Hereford needs a bypass. Build it and they will come. Does anyone seriously think that the traffic will get better after April? The OLM development will surely in time be proven to be a big waste of money. What a lot of people fail to realise is other cities and towns with such developments already have good transport links. One broken down lorry on greyfriars bridge has bought Hereford to its knees. Just imagine what a retail park slap bang In the middle is going to do.
Hereford needs a bypass. Build it and they will come. Does anyone seriously think that the traffic will get better after April? The OLM development will surely in time be proven to be a big waste of money. What a lot of people fail to realise is other cities and towns with such developments already have good transport links. One broken down lorry on greyfriars bridge has bought Hereford to its knees. Just imagine what a retail park slap bang In the middle is going to do. A55K1KKR

10:24pm Wed 26 Feb 14

donaldtwain says...

On the whole I think this is good for Hereford.

If they have free parking I may become a regular....if not, forget it.
On the whole I think this is good for Hereford. If they have free parking I may become a regular....if not, forget it. donaldtwain

11:59pm Wed 26 Feb 14

dippyhippy says...

They don't!
They don't! dippyhippy

8:59am Thu 27 Feb 14

likkleme says...

What's free parking? Thought that was a square on a monopoly board!!
What's free parking? Thought that was a square on a monopoly board!! likkleme

10:14am Thu 27 Feb 14

Littleblackcat says...

We already have a lovely Next at Holmer Road and H & M, TK Maxx, Fat Face, Clark's and Costa in the centre of town. L' Occitaine can be purchased at Chave and Jackson's in Broad Street so actually there is very little new in the form of retail shopping apart from Debenhams. This just seems to be a re-location of retail outlets that we already have rather than a influx of new brands. How can this attract new custom to the town when we are only offering what we have always had? Why is there no mention of River Island anymore.......have they realised that perhaps this is not the golden ticket they were hoping?
We already have a lovely Next at Holmer Road and H & M, TK Maxx, Fat Face, Clark's and Costa in the centre of town. L' Occitaine can be purchased at Chave and Jackson's in Broad Street so actually there is very little new in the form of retail shopping apart from Debenhams. This just seems to be a re-location of retail outlets that we already have rather than a influx of new brands. How can this attract new custom to the town when we are only offering what we have always had? Why is there no mention of River Island anymore.......have they realised that perhaps this is not the golden ticket they were hoping? Littleblackcat

10:14am Thu 27 Feb 14

s.cowell says...

You are all entitled to your opinions, but Crikey - all you really do is moan about anything and everything and then pick holes in those who dont share the same thoughts.

As a reader of the Hereford times website, your boring constant drivvel and moaning about traffic/buildings/ro
ads/potholes.... makes me not want to log on.

A novel thought... Maybe you could try being nice and positive for a change?
You are all entitled to your opinions, but Crikey - all you really do is moan about anything and everything and then pick holes in those who dont share the same thoughts. As a reader of the Hereford times website, your boring constant drivvel and moaning about traffic/buildings/ro ads/potholes.... makes me not want to log on. A novel thought... Maybe you could try being nice and positive for a change? s.cowell

11:44am Thu 27 Feb 14

mizza21 says...

Shove it cowell. This is a monstrous development and I'll call it as it is.
Shove it cowell. This is a monstrous development and I'll call it as it is. mizza21

5:51am Fri 28 Feb 14

B the B says...

s.cowell wrote:
You are all entitled to your opinions, but Crikey - all you really do is moan about anything and everything and then pick holes in those who dont share the same thoughts.

As a reader of the Hereford times website, your boring constant drivvel and moaning about traffic/buildings/ro

ads/potholes.... makes me not want to log on.

A novel thought... Maybe you could try being nice and positive for a change?
Oh well said. Moaning mizza is the ring leader
[quote][p][bold]s.cowell[/bold] wrote: You are all entitled to your opinions, but Crikey - all you really do is moan about anything and everything and then pick holes in those who dont share the same thoughts. As a reader of the Hereford times website, your boring constant drivvel and moaning about traffic/buildings/ro ads/potholes.... makes me not want to log on. A novel thought... Maybe you could try being nice and positive for a change?[/p][/quote]Oh well said. Moaning mizza is the ring leader B the B

12:45pm Fri 28 Feb 14

likkleme says...

s.cowell wrote:
You are all entitled to your opinions, but Crikey - all you really do is moan about anything and everything and then pick holes in those who dont share the same thoughts.

As a reader of the Hereford times website, your boring constant drivvel and moaning about traffic/buildings/ro

ads/potholes.... makes me not want to log on.

A novel thought... Maybe you could try being nice and positive for a change?
Maybe if they gave us some good news/ improvements then we wouldn't moan as you put it, but then again maybe we would as we are Herefordians and English so like nothing better than a good moan with our cups of tea. If you don't like the comments nobody is forcing you to read them!
[quote][p][bold]s.cowell[/bold] wrote: You are all entitled to your opinions, but Crikey - all you really do is moan about anything and everything and then pick holes in those who dont share the same thoughts. As a reader of the Hereford times website, your boring constant drivvel and moaning about traffic/buildings/ro ads/potholes.... makes me not want to log on. A novel thought... Maybe you could try being nice and positive for a change?[/p][/quote]Maybe if they gave us some good news/ improvements then we wouldn't moan as you put it, but then again maybe we would as we are Herefordians and English so like nothing better than a good moan with our cups of tea. If you don't like the comments nobody is forcing you to read them! likkleme

9:31pm Sat 15 Mar 14

William Rudd says...

herefordman99 wrote:
William Rudd wrote:
herefordman99 wrote:
dodger3 wrote: So! Herefordian, I'm confused, why waste money going to Gloucester or Brizzel-they have more fast food outlets and over weight people than Hereford, their cinemas charge the same, and don't even talk about parking charges. I love an occasional trip to the movies, it still holds a sort of magic for me.All I'm trying to relate Herefordian, is lets get behind the new Hereford, you can still shop at Lidl or Aldi for value.
You are missing my point - it will be a novelty for a few months (possibly years) before people get fed up of sitting in the traffic to go there, and start migrating to shopping centres with better road access. I don't even goto high town much these days - there are no shops there that i would go in. I don't buy designer labels (why pay £50 for a pair of jeans just because they say Levi on them???) never have. I cringe at paying more than £4 for a T shirt. That's not becuase i can't afford to pay silly money for things just to conform with the rest of the retail sheep, i just can't see the point. I have never been to Gloucester Quays, or Bristol shopping, and have no intention of doing so - why travel all that distance when i can stay at home and order it and have it delivered, or nip to Tesco and grab a T shirt and jeans with the weekly shop? Shopping centres in this day and age are dinosaurs of the past - more people avoid them and shop online now than ever before, it's a well known fact. It will be a short lived fad same as Maylords unfortunately.
It's not a bloody shopping centre
Definition of shopping centre
shopping centre
n
1. (Commerce) a purpose-built complex of shops, restaurants, etc, for the use of pedestrians
2. (Human Geography) the area of a town where most of the shops are situated

so if it isn't a shopping centre, what is it??? (apart from a white elephant)
It's not a complex of shops in a purpose built building they are built in two new streets ie Auctioneers Way & Garrick Lane.
And the area of a Town (Hereford is a City) where most of the shops are situated.For one there are well over 200 shops in the City with just 14 on the development.
[quote][p][bold]herefordman99[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]William Rudd[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]herefordman99[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dodger3[/bold] wrote: So! Herefordian, I'm confused, why waste money going to Gloucester or Brizzel-they have more fast food outlets and over weight people than Hereford, their cinemas charge the same, and don't even talk about parking charges. I love an occasional trip to the movies, it still holds a sort of magic for me.All I'm trying to relate Herefordian, is lets get behind the new Hereford, you can still shop at Lidl or Aldi for value.[/p][/quote]You are missing my point - it will be a novelty for a few months (possibly years) before people get fed up of sitting in the traffic to go there, and start migrating to shopping centres with better road access. I don't even goto high town much these days - there are no shops there that i would go in. I don't buy designer labels (why pay £50 for a pair of jeans just because they say Levi on them???) never have. I cringe at paying more than £4 for a T shirt. That's not becuase i can't afford to pay silly money for things just to conform with the rest of the retail sheep, i just can't see the point. I have never been to Gloucester Quays, or Bristol shopping, and have no intention of doing so - why travel all that distance when i can stay at home and order it and have it delivered, or nip to Tesco and grab a T shirt and jeans with the weekly shop? Shopping centres in this day and age are dinosaurs of the past - more people avoid them and shop online now than ever before, it's a well known fact. It will be a short lived fad same as Maylords unfortunately.[/p][/quote]It's not a bloody shopping centre[/p][/quote]Definition of shopping centre shopping centre n 1. (Commerce) a purpose-built complex of shops, restaurants, etc, for the use of pedestrians 2. (Human Geography) the area of a town where most of the shops are situated so if it isn't a shopping centre, what is it??? (apart from a white elephant)[/p][/quote]It's not a complex of shops in a purpose built building they are built in two new streets ie Auctioneers Way & Garrick Lane. And the area of a Town (Hereford is a City) where most of the shops are situated.For one there are well over 200 shops in the City with just 14 on the development. William Rudd

10:57am Sun 16 Mar 14

ad47uk says...

Since the complex is just a bunch of buildings shoved onto a bit of land and not under cover, I hope they remember about the pigeons, with all those fast food restaurants there, the pigeons will have a field day. Saying that, it depends if anyone can afford to pay the inflated prices.

Also the fumes from the car park stuck in the middle. Not going to be a pleasant place to shop at all. Thankfully I have not intention of using the place, unless I get pulled in by someone.
Since the complex is just a bunch of buildings shoved onto a bit of land and not under cover, I hope they remember about the pigeons, with all those fast food restaurants there, the pigeons will have a field day. Saying that, it depends if anyone can afford to pay the inflated prices. Also the fumes from the car park stuck in the middle. Not going to be a pleasant place to shop at all. Thankfully I have not intention of using the place, unless I get pulled in by someone. ad47uk

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