Good turnout for Herefordshire's Boxing Day hunts (From Hereford Times)
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Good turnout for Herefordshire's Boxing Day hunts
9:27am Thursday 27th December 2012 in News
Plenty turned out in Ledbury to watch the Boxing Day hunt
DESPITE a difficult few weeks for hunt enthusiasts, thousands turned out across Herefordshire to support the traditional Boxing Day meetings.
From Bromyard to Bosbury, Leominster to Ledbury, followers attended on what is one of the busiest meetings of the year.
The impressive numbers come just weeks after two members of Prime Minister
David Cameron’s local hunt – Heythrop in Oxfordshire - were fined for the illegal hunting of foxes with dogs.
But Graham Baker, chairman of the South Herefordshire Hunt, said the negative publicity had not stopped supporters turning out at Christmas.
This year his hunt again made an appearance in Hereford city centre. Hounds and horses gathered just yards from the Cathedral in Castle Street.
Comments(78)
Bongarwiran Appledurain
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10:19am Thu 27 Dec 12
If our political masters have any wit at all they will overturn the blairs "spite" driven legislation before the current parliament is over.
elerrina
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11:56am Thu 27 Dec 12
StockWatcher
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12:04pm Thu 27 Dec 12
Dodo leDuck
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12:21pm Thu 27 Dec 12
keep up the good work.
swampy
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1:55pm Thu 27 Dec 12
hereford-lad
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4:55pm Thu 27 Dec 12
swampy wrote:Yes your right swampy hunting does attract sad individuals who use it as an outlet for there anger issues, usually they are found dressed in black, wearing balaclavas and callng themselves hunt saboteurs!
Sadly the ban means nothing to these people, with them continuing to chase and kill not only the fox population but now even local cats. Ross Harriers, have been in court twice in the last two months. firstly for assault on hunt monitors and now racism. Hunting attracts a sad group of individuals who use it an outlet for the anger issues they have. Many of the main players at Ross Harriers have problems closer to home that need dealing with, and instead of sorting these problems out, lash out at innocent people and animals.
probono
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5:13pm Thu 27 Dec 12
probono
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5:14pm Thu 27 Dec 12
They also have no predators
swampy
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5:48pm Thu 27 Dec 12
Peace to you.
hereford-lad
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6:47pm Thu 27 Dec 12
Probona good comment but lets not forget the farmers having to listen to ewes calling for there lambs that are taken in the night, oh and lets thank the charities that catch the urban foxes and release them into the countryside, or is that just an urban myth..... Maybe for sport I should buy a cat and watch it slowly kill the song birds in my garden??
Mancha
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8:27pm Thu 27 Dec 12
Themightyboosh
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12:25am Fri 28 Dec 12
how festive
lets all kill things for christmas
Themightyboosh
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12:31am Fri 28 Dec 12
probono wrote:no they dont
PS - Swampy - have you ever seen a duck or chicken pen after a fox has been there. They kill and maim for sport, not food.
They also have no predators
they hunt a store.
as we would fill our fridge.
in the natural world there would not be a big cage of food for the taking.
my sugestion build a better chicken coop.
i kept chickens for 15 yeas and never lost any
Themightyboosh
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12:34am Fri 28 Dec 12
probono wrote:just to say there is only 1 animal that hunts for "sport" or the great feeling that comes from killing as i call it
PS - Swampy - have you ever seen a duck or chicken pen after a fox has been there. They kill and maim for sport, not food.
They also have no predators
and thats us
Themightyboosh
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12:47am Fri 28 Dec 12
ironically some people hunted them to extinction
Themightyboosh
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12:58am Fri 28 Dec 12
hereford-lad wrote:so let me get this right
Swampy when people go out dressed like terrorists they might expect to get treated like them?
Probona good comment but lets not forget the farmers having to listen to ewes calling for there lambs that are taken in the night, oh and lets thank the charities that catch the urban foxes and release them into the countryside, or is that just an urban myth..... Maybe for sport I should buy a cat and watch it slowly kill the song birds in my garden??
its bad for a fox to kill a lamb for food to eat and survive
but its ok for a bunch of humans to kill for fun.
ok i see your argument now "sigh"
silentbull
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5:48am Fri 28 Dec 12
If people still think its right to allow at least 20 dogs to rip a fox to pieces(this is normally after digging it out from underground) then these people are just as 'SICK' as people that kill other people.
EVERY ANIMAL HAS A RIGHT TO LIVE
and just to let you know I DO NOT BELONG TO ANY GROUP OR ORGANISATION but do live overlooking a 'meet'(murderers in my book)
Dodo leDuck
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6:07am Fri 28 Dec 12
Bongarwiran Appledurain
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6:13am Fri 28 Dec 12
And also, kindly desist from labeling hunt supporters as being unwell.
Judging by the ranting style of your submission it is you who are in need of medication, not hunt supporters.
silentbull
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6:28am Fri 28 Dec 12
Bongarwiran- i didn't say they were "unwell" i said that they are "murderers" and "sick"
leftofmoorfarm
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8:23am Fri 28 Dec 12
leftofmoorfarm
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8:26am Fri 28 Dec 12
Belmont Voice
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8:42am Fri 28 Dec 12
silentbull wrote:I totally agree, it's BANNED, so these vile people can just carry on can they?
We all know this ugly disgusting so called BANNED'sport' still goes on despite it being now ILLEGAL!!!
If people still think its right to allow at least 20 dogs to rip a fox to pieces(this is normally after digging it out from underground) then these people are just as 'SICK' as people that kill other people.
EVERY ANIMAL HAS A RIGHT TO LIVE
and just to let you know I DO NOT BELONG TO ANY GROUP OR ORGANISATION but do live overlooking a 'meet'(murderers in my book)
All Legs
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10:12am Fri 28 Dec 12
All Legs
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10:12am Fri 28 Dec 12
Bongarwiran Appledurain
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10:12am Fri 28 Dec 12
Its so bad for silent bull that its made him unwell to the point that his mental health appears to be under threat.
leftofmoorfarm
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1:29pm Fri 28 Dec 12
Name calling is not necessary - we have the law on our side now.
silentbull
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5:37pm Fri 28 Dec 12
You can always tell when you've hit a nerve when somebody throws the childish insults
Truth hurts doesn't it :-)
dodger3
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8:03pm Fri 28 Dec 12
elerrina
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11:58pm Fri 28 Dec 12
If it was a load of people in tracksuits with pit bulls you can guarantee that they would have been arrested and put in prison.
It does amuse me all the excuses they come up with to justify the torture of an animal for fun. I have seen many a fox walk through a field of sheep and lambs none of which bat an eyelid, not really suggestive of being prey is it.
And its the hunts who behave like terrorists, the only reason sabs dress to hide their identity is because the hunt and their supports would subject them to a campaign of hatred and abuse it has been well documented in the past how various hunts have tormented home-owners who refused them access to their land. And its also well documented how the hunts randomly attack people who are monitoring them, if you're not breaking the law why attack them. Guilty conscience
mizza21
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12:20am Sat 29 Dec 12
Much more efficient ot shoot the beggars.
It's about class all this. I have no moral objection to pest control, but I do not want a load of bloody horsey cretins and their dogs on my land giving it the large with their poxy horns and shouting all over the place.
Cheeky beggars.
William Rudd
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12:53pm Sat 29 Dec 12
William Rudd
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12:54pm Sat 29 Dec 12
William Rudd
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12:56pm Sat 29 Dec 12
William Rudd
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1:05pm Sat 29 Dec 12
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bobby47
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1:33pm Sat 29 Dec 12
That said, if by some strange twist of fate it was the 'rat' being chased by the howling horse backed mob and their pack of canines, I ain't so sure where I'd stand on this issue.
I mean, let's be honest, the 'rat' has few redeeming characteristics. Ive never met a rat that I liked. Dirty little things if my view is worth a jot.
Few people associate the 'rat' with good tidings and happy events. Moreoften than not, the 'rat' is depicted as an awful creepy little pest that does little to enhance our lives.
Im not singling out the 'rat'! Other members of the animal kingdom fall into this category. The fly. Even the worm provide me with nothing at all.
What Im saying in my roundabout way is, if we have to chase something, lets chase the rat or the Bluebottle fly. Im sure that we'd all feel better about that.
swampy
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2:58pm Sat 29 Dec 12
bobby47
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7:09pm Sat 29 Dec 12
I think that's a reasonable compromise.
They could chase their chosen quarry all around High Town all day long with little chance of ever catching their chosen creature. That safeguards two things, our civil liberties to chase something if we choose to do so and it protects the rat or whatever one has chosen to pursue.
It could catch on. Groups and Associations could be born from this approach. High Town could become full again with not only shoppers but those who choose to chase a creature.
My warmest regards.
swampy
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9:18pm Sat 29 Dec 12
impossible to carry on, and on top of that the council get Amey workers to go around checking the bins to make sure no business has put any 'trade waste' in them. So sad.,
Princer
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10:41pm Sat 29 Dec 12
Dodo leDuck
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2:20am Sun 30 Dec 12
slimwilly
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8:14am Sun 30 Dec 12
e,Rabbit,Fox,Crows, It happens,has always happened and will continue to happen,when will the interfering unknowledgeable town people decide that all this is unacceptable. Ilegal ! maybe hunting with more than two dogs is, but the countryside is looked after by country people and it seem to be looking good,well done to them and all the normal working class people who support country sports,Toffs, I think not.
Slim.
Dodo leDuck
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8:41am Sun 30 Dec 12
as for silent bull, who is shocked at having to overlook a hunt meet from his house, he should clearly re-locate to a town area, maybe where he could overlook a Tesco or Asda car park.
certainly better for his mental health.
Moreteavicar?
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9:06am Sun 30 Dec 12
To my mind, the morality and the efficiency/effective
ness of hunting foxes with hounds are the most relevant issues - these points have been raised throughout this article.
At best this discussion will be heated, fuelled by the strength of feelings on both sides. At worst it will degenerate into pointless name-calling and rhetoric.
I mean to say, the People we entrust running our country cannot seem to achieve and end to the debate. What chance do we stand? ;-)
For what they are worth my thoughts on the matter are these.
Firstly, let me say I speak as someone who has spent his fifty-something years living in the Herefordshire countryside. Let that negate one of the regularly aired comments of the Pro lobby - "People in towns don't understand the ways of the countryside".
Also, we get the "people in the countryside" generalisation, used to encompass the Pro lobby. That one is utter rubbish in my experience. Of the people I know, 99 per cent are against hunting with hounds.
It is not a town versus countryside argument.
As I said previously, morality and the efficiency are for me the two main factors in this argument. I personally, believe that it is morally unacceptable to hunt an animal to its death for sport. If you are reading this and are in the opposite camp to me, question yourself: Do you?
I have no issue with killing an animal for food or if it needs to be culled as vermin.
This leads on to the issue of efficiency.
If, as the Pro lobby maintain, foxes in the countryside need to be controlled, the most humane and efficient way to do it are a man with a gun or a man with two good dogs.
There - I have made a sweeping statement. Not something I would normally do but I would be interested if anyone can refute it with reasoned argument, based on my qualification of humaneness and efficiency.
I feel I must reply to the comments here about "foxes killing for pleasure", as if by demonizing them so, it justifies us to do exactly the same. Apart from being an argument of flawed logic, it is also based on a fallacy - true, a fox will slaughter a whole pen of chickens (if the chicken owner is stupid enough not to protect them adequately) - not through a frenzy of blood-**** but because he (wait for the shock) needs to eat to survive. He will take the surplus kill and store it for the future. Surprisingly, he does not realise that the food supply generously offered by it's careless human owner will still be there for days to come, allowing him the luxury of being able to return night after night to select his supper one at a time!
I cannot see that when you strip away all the distractions there is anything more to the hunting with hounds debate other than tradition and enjoyment. If the Pro lobby were to campaign on these grounds then so be it.
Dodo leDuck
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10:18am Sun 30 Dec 12
The rest is all emotive baggage arising from the peasants.
When their hero blair had the power, they thought they had got what they wanted, spiteful class ridden legislation.
Sad to say they were mistaken, laws founded in emotion, based upon one group trying to impose their views on another, seldom work.
wyesider
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10:42am Sun 30 Dec 12
It's good to see a debate like this one on this website. If there was a referendum on this subject, it might be that the general public would keep the ban?
swampy
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10:55am Sun 30 Dec 12
Why should those of us who also live and work in the countryside have to move because we object to the cruelty that hunting brings, especially as hunting with dogs has been banned and yet is still taking place. The problem is the Police don't have the resources to enforce the ban as it should be, thank goodness the RSPCA has started to move in that direction at long last. For too long the local hunts have rode roughshod over anyone that does'nt agree with what they do.
dado
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12:31pm Sun 30 Dec 12
elerrina
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3:02pm Sun 30 Dec 12
Themightyboosh
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9:15pm Sun 30 Dec 12
Dodo leDuck wrote:and there is one of the reasons we hate the hunt brigade "We own the countryside and we can do what we like"
well said Slim William.
as for silent bull, who is shocked at having to overlook a hunt meet from his house, he should clearly re-locate to a town area, maybe where he could overlook a Tesco or Asda car park.
certainly better for his mental health.
we will push you out if you dont let us do what we want "ps the local judge is my cousin
Themightyboosh
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9:28pm Sun 30 Dec 12
i chase and kill kittens for fun and to stop them killing wild birds
i could do it humanely but chose to chase them and watching them be torn to bits by my dogs.
i think killing kittens is for the whole family
Themightyboosh
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9:31pm Sun 30 Dec 12
Themightyboosh wrote:lets try this and remove all issues eg.class ect i chase and kill kittens for fun and to stop them killing wild birds i could do it humanely but i chose to chase them and prefer watching them torn to bits by my dogs. i think killing kittens is for the whole family
lets try this and remove all issues eg.class ect
i chase and kill kittens for fun and to stop them killing wild birds
i could do it humanely but chose to chase them and watching them be torn to bits by my dogs.
i think killing kittens is for the whole family
Themightyboosh
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9:33pm Sun 30 Dec 12
Themightyboosh wrote:Disuss and justify killing kittens for sport
Themightyboosh wrote:lets try this and remove all issues eg.class ect i chase and kill kittens for fun and to stop them killing wild birds i could do it humanely but i chose to chase them and prefer watching them torn to bits by my dogs. i think killing kittens is for the whole family
lets try this and remove all issues eg.class ect
i chase and kill kittens for fun and to stop them killing wild birds
i could do it humanely but chose to chase them and watching them be torn to bits by my dogs.
i think killing kittens is for the whole family
Moreteavicar?
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9:38pm Sun 30 Dec 12
Run Run Rudolph - Yule be next!
Themightyboosh
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9:41pm Sun 30 Dec 12
Themightyboosh
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9:43pm Sun 30 Dec 12
Moreteavicar? wrote:ho ho ho ....well done :)
Paw Santa Claws - Sleighing kittens - such a cat-astrophe.
Run Run Rudolph - Yule be next!
Dodo leDuck
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11:32pm Sun 30 Dec 12
I guess the alcohol has kicks in early today.
Clarkester
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10:19am Mon 31 Dec 12
Dodo leDuck
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10:50am Mon 31 Dec 12
My initial comment simply expressed my views on the subject of hunting.
The nasty, spiteful, personal comments, directed at me, followed thick and fast.
I just responding in the same vein, I now believe that really is "enough said".
William Rudd
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11:46am Mon 31 Dec 12
Dodo leDuck
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12:04pm Mon 31 Dec 12
As for your "problems" I don't really care if you have any or not.
By the way, Mr Rudd,are you by any chance related to a recent past prime minister of Australia of the same family name?
Princer
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12:57pm Mon 31 Dec 12
I certainly did not make any nasty spiteful personal comments towards you, but yet you accused me of being a "poor spite filled pleb" for voicing my own opinion, fortunately I am none of the above.
nickt2635
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3:34pm Mon 31 Dec 12
Dodo leDuck
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5:27pm Mon 31 Dec 12
I forgive pincer.
Any more for any more?
Andrew Warmington
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9:52am Wed 2 Jan 13
Google dodoleduck (without the space) to find out why. The first hit should be a This is Gloucestershire profile, which shows quite clearly that they are one and the same.
Now I wonder who that could be? Let's think about it: an extreme right-wing, wannabe class warrior, who was very vocally in favour of Sainsbury's in Ledbury (about which they 'both' sound off elsewhere recently). Maybe someone who has previous form when it comes to creating fictitious identities and stirring up petty arguments online? Oooh, this is a tough one isn't it?
Dodo leDuck
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10:18am Wed 2 Jan 13
So who do you think I am andrew?
name names.
I dont think the issue of a proper out of town supermarket for the benefit of the ordinary people of Ledbury though is a petty issue.
It may not suit the "high street" elite brigade but it will be very welcome for a large number of people when it comes, and come it surely will, sooner rather than later.
Bongarwiran Appledurain
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10:44am Wed 2 Jan 13
Maybe we should get Mainwaring to look into him so to speak.
What ya think?
Andrew Warmington
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11:00am Wed 2 Jan 13
Moreteavicar?
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12:22pm Wed 2 Jan 13
First you maintain the hunting issue is completely class orientated and vilify the plebs - now you support "the benefit of ordinary people" and decry the High street" elite brigade" ?????
You are just a nasty old troll (in the modern sense) aren't you!
Dodo leDuck
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2:49pm Wed 2 Jan 13
As for you Mr McVicar, maybe you should just read the comments and take them at face value.
I really have no idea what you mean by your ultimate sentence, you probably neither.
Moreteavicar?
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3:07pm Wed 2 Jan 13
What does that actually have to do with my question?
For your enlightenment, my reference to a Troll is the name given to "someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion".
Dodo leDuck
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4:42pm Wed 2 Jan 13
Just give up.
bobby47
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6:55pm Wed 2 Jan 13
Me? I couldn't care less who you all are and what your bloody birth name is.
Lets get on with the real business of getting rid of this Council Leadership and holding them to account for the crazy and chaotic decisions that are made in our name.
Im bloody King around here and until some fool emerges who can deliver a constant stream of drivel and tripe and challenge me for this role then, I say, pack it in and concentrate on the important stuff, namely, Jarvis and this bloody Council Leadership.
retrexs
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7:22pm Wed 2 Jan 13
The CIA have admitted dpoing it to discredit conspiracy vids on youtube so im sure its true!! after all our council are well into Common purpose!
silentbull
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9:30pm Wed 2 Jan 13
bobby47 wrote:He/ she does come close to talking as much drivel has you bobby but he/she doesn't seem to have any intelligents to form a proper debate :-)
During this forthcoming year I'd like to see Posters aiming their ire at this bloody Council Leadership rather than 'our' current emerging obsession in 'outing' one another, insulting one another and trying to identify who is the name behind the Poster handle.
Me? I couldn't care less who you all are and what your bloody birth name is.
Lets get on with the real business of getting rid of this Council Leadership and holding them to account for the crazy and chaotic decisions that are made in our name.
Im bloody King around here and until some fool emerges who can deliver a constant stream of drivel and tripe and challenge me for this role then, I say, pack it in and concentrate on the important stuff, namely, Jarvis and this bloody Council Leadership.
Lets keep the killing banned!!!!
(that should get the parasite out of they hole ;-) )
SchizTroll
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4:09pm Thu 3 Jan 13
Dodo leDuck
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12:47am Sun 6 Jan 13
Keep going old chap
Dodo leDuck says...
10:13am Thu 27 Dec 12
What a treat to see this great British tradition is thriving despite minority group whingeing and irritant attempts to spoil the enjoyment of others.