Readers "cannot wait" for Hereford's Old Market to open

Construction work taking place on the new Waitrose store.

Construction work taking place on the new Waitrose store.

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MANY people in Hereford cannot wait for the city's new retail development to open according to a poll conducted by the Hereford Times.

On Friday, we asked you what your thoughts were about the impending opening on April 17.

A total of 762 votes were cast and nearly half, 49 per cent, said that they cannot wait for the opening - adding that it is something that the city needs.

Debenhams, Waitrose TK Maxx, Next, L'Occitane, Fatface, Clarks and Costa are all due to open their doors on that Thursday, while Nandos confirmed at the weekend that it will be opening on Wednesday, May 14.

A new multi-screen Odeon cinema, as well as a selection of restaurants, will also open in the coming months, with H&M set to be the final store to open in the autumn.

However, it seems that the new centre has not got everyone in Hereford excited.

Thirty-three per cent of people said that it is "just another shopping centre", while 19 per cent said that they will not visit the site on principle because it will impact on the city's existing traders.

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12:42pm Mon 17 Mar 14

bobby47 says...

Well I can wait! It's a bloody salty hulk and no good will come of it. The whole development is a monument to stupidity and it'll be the ruin of us.
Remember the promise. It'll create a thousand jobs and not one single trader will be allowed to leave our High Town. It's all been a lie. A corporate pile of tripe that's been poured on a spoon and shoved down our throats.
Mark my words, as soon as Debenhams near the end of their rent free tenure they'll gather together their fittings and furniture and they'll clear off leaving us all sitting in a cinema, nibbling popcorn and muttering, 'where did it all go wrong'.
And where did it all go wrong? The bloody day the Council Cabinet, opened their door and invited a bunch of asset stripping suits to sit down and gave them carte Blanche to do whatever they wanted to do for two hundred and fifty years. We're being stripped of our wealth, heritage and prosperity and the tragedy is that 'the people' want it. They're excited by it. They yearn and thirst to spend their low levels of disposable income in that salty hulk of bricks and they they appreciate it.
God help us. We are bloody doomed. Bereft of the ability to 'think' and ask, 'why were all these things done to destroy our High Town.
Well I can wait! It's a bloody salty hulk and no good will come of it. The whole development is a monument to stupidity and it'll be the ruin of us. Remember the promise. It'll create a thousand jobs and not one single trader will be allowed to leave our High Town. It's all been a lie. A corporate pile of tripe that's been poured on a spoon and shoved down our throats. Mark my words, as soon as Debenhams near the end of their rent free tenure they'll gather together their fittings and furniture and they'll clear off leaving us all sitting in a cinema, nibbling popcorn and muttering, 'where did it all go wrong'. And where did it all go wrong? The bloody day the Council Cabinet, opened their door and invited a bunch of asset stripping suits to sit down and gave them carte Blanche to do whatever they wanted to do for two hundred and fifty years. We're being stripped of our wealth, heritage and prosperity and the tragedy is that 'the people' want it. They're excited by it. They yearn and thirst to spend their low levels of disposable income in that salty hulk of bricks and they they appreciate it. God help us. We are bloody doomed. Bereft of the ability to 'think' and ask, 'why were all these things done to destroy our High Town. bobby47
  • Score: 8

1:05pm Mon 17 Mar 14

TwoWheelsGood says...

49% is NOTa majority, unless you are N Korea or Herefordshire Council. I see the down-voting stooges have been here already - water off a ducks back for bobby47.
49% is NOTa majority, unless you are N Korea or Herefordshire Council. I see the down-voting stooges have been here already - water off a ducks back for bobby47. TwoWheelsGood
  • Score: 12

2:12pm Mon 17 Mar 14

herefordman99 says...

TwoWheelsGood wrote:
49% is NOTa majority, unless you are N Korea or Herefordshire Council. I see the down-voting stooges have been here already - water off a ducks back for bobby47.
...or Florida.....
[quote][p][bold]TwoWheelsGood[/bold] wrote: 49% is NOTa majority, unless you are N Korea or Herefordshire Council. I see the down-voting stooges have been here already - water off a ducks back for bobby47.[/p][/quote]...or Florida..... herefordman99
  • Score: 4

2:54pm Mon 17 Mar 14

mizza21 says...

What happened to the shared space on Newmarket Street?
I see blokes out there laying pavements but I thought we was having a boulevard not just a normal road. I was looking forward to getting my pavement cafe planning application into the council.

One thing I hope comes of this is some investment into Hereford United.
The Blackfriars end needs some love and god knows they could do with the money.

Bobby, for clarity, how long is Debbo's free rent period?
Why are the haulks salty by the way. The wife asked and I told her it's because of the seagulls, but what is the real reason?
What happened to the shared space on Newmarket Street? I see blokes out there laying pavements but I thought we was having a boulevard not just a normal road. I was looking forward to getting my pavement cafe planning application into the council. One thing I hope comes of this is some investment into Hereford United. The Blackfriars end needs some love and god knows they could do with the money. Bobby, for clarity, how long is Debbo's free rent period? Why are the haulks salty by the way. The wife asked and I told her it's because of the seagulls, but what is the real reason? mizza21
  • Score: -1

4:15pm Mon 17 Mar 14

herefordman99 says...

mizza21 wrote:
What happened to the shared space on Newmarket Street? I see blokes out there laying pavements but I thought we was having a boulevard not just a normal road. I was looking forward to getting my pavement cafe planning application into the council. One thing I hope comes of this is some investment into Hereford United. The Blackfriars end needs some love and god knows they could do with the money. Bobby, for clarity, how long is Debbo's free rent period? Why are the haulks salty by the way. The wife asked and I told her it's because of the seagulls, but what is the real reason?
The "attractive" white seagull poop style murals down the walls are due to the lime and other chemicals leaching from the cement. Over time it should clear. As for Newmarket Street, that will eventually be a single lane in each direction with pedestrianised areas in between. Most traffic is supposedly going to be sent along the new inner relief road that is supposed to come out by the old Rockfield site (once the compulsory purchases and legal wrangling is over)
[quote][p][bold]mizza21[/bold] wrote: What happened to the shared space on Newmarket Street? I see blokes out there laying pavements but I thought we was having a boulevard not just a normal road. I was looking forward to getting my pavement cafe planning application into the council. One thing I hope comes of this is some investment into Hereford United. The Blackfriars end needs some love and god knows they could do with the money. Bobby, for clarity, how long is Debbo's free rent period? Why are the haulks salty by the way. The wife asked and I told her it's because of the seagulls, but what is the real reason?[/p][/quote]The "attractive" white seagull poop style murals down the walls are due to the lime and other chemicals leaching from the cement. Over time it should clear. As for Newmarket Street, that will eventually be a single lane in each direction with pedestrianised areas in between. Most traffic is supposedly going to be sent along the new inner relief road that is supposed to come out by the old Rockfield site (once the compulsory purchases and legal wrangling is over) herefordman99
  • Score: 2

4:42pm Mon 17 Mar 14

littlewhitebull says...

herefordman99 wrote:
mizza21 wrote:
What happened to the shared space on Newmarket Street? I see blokes out there laying pavements but I thought we was having a boulevard not just a normal road. I was looking forward to getting my pavement cafe planning application into the council. One thing I hope comes of this is some investment into Hereford United. The Blackfriars end needs some love and god knows they could do with the money. Bobby, for clarity, how long is Debbo's free rent period? Why are the haulks salty by the way. The wife asked and I told her it's because of the seagulls, but what is the real reason?
The "attractive" white seagull poop style murals down the walls are due to the lime and other chemicals leaching from the cement. Over time it should clear. As for Newmarket Street, that will eventually be a single lane in each direction with pedestrianised areas in between. Most traffic is supposedly going to be sent along the new inner relief road that is supposed to come out by the old Rockfield site (once the compulsory purchases and legal wrangling is over)
Any idea why such 'leaching' occurred? I can't recall seeing so much 'leaching' in other new buildings. Possibly caused by the adverse weather conditions?
[quote][p][bold]herefordman99[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mizza21[/bold] wrote: What happened to the shared space on Newmarket Street? I see blokes out there laying pavements but I thought we was having a boulevard not just a normal road. I was looking forward to getting my pavement cafe planning application into the council. One thing I hope comes of this is some investment into Hereford United. The Blackfriars end needs some love and god knows they could do with the money. Bobby, for clarity, how long is Debbo's free rent period? Why are the haulks salty by the way. The wife asked and I told her it's because of the seagulls, but what is the real reason?[/p][/quote]The "attractive" white seagull poop style murals down the walls are due to the lime and other chemicals leaching from the cement. Over time it should clear. As for Newmarket Street, that will eventually be a single lane in each direction with pedestrianised areas in between. Most traffic is supposedly going to be sent along the new inner relief road that is supposed to come out by the old Rockfield site (once the compulsory purchases and legal wrangling is over)[/p][/quote]Any idea why such 'leaching' occurred? I can't recall seeing so much 'leaching' in other new buildings. Possibly caused by the adverse weather conditions? littlewhitebull
  • Score: 2

4:47pm Mon 17 Mar 14

dippyhippy says...

Mizza!
For the love of God! Please sign up to Hereford Voice! You would have all the answers to these questions, and many, many more!!
Seriously, for those of you who like to be able to discuss current issues, without fear of being targeted by the delete, Hereford Voice is a must visit place!
Just like to add that the headline on this story, is the most misleading, and factually inaccurate for a long time!
Mizza! For the love of God! Please sign up to Hereford Voice! You would have all the answers to these questions, and many, many more!! Seriously, for those of you who like to be able to discuss current issues, without fear of being targeted by the delete, Hereford Voice is a must visit place! Just like to add that the headline on this story, is the most misleading, and factually inaccurate for a long time! dippyhippy
  • Score: -1

5:16pm Mon 17 Mar 14

mizza21 says...

Ah, I see. Thanks herefordman99.
Bring on the shared space.
I can't see it ever happening though.
The units at the back of the railway station are all being cleared out. Just waiting for the post office to comply then they can build that shiny new road..
Ah, I see. Thanks herefordman99. Bring on the shared space. I can't see it ever happening though. The units at the back of the railway station are all being cleared out. Just waiting for the post office to comply then they can build that shiny new road.. mizza21
  • Score: 3

6:52pm Mon 17 Mar 14

TwoWheelsGood says...

Earlier version of this article claimed a 'majority' cannot wait, hence my posting at the top of this thread. I see the article has now been edited. mizza21 - there will be no shared space boulevard, never was going to be, despite what the 'artists impressions' may have intimated. Its just a road, always was, always will be, with more traffic lights than ever.
Earlier version of this article claimed a 'majority' cannot wait, hence my posting at the top of this thread. I see the article has now been edited. mizza21 - there will be no shared space boulevard, never was going to be, despite what the 'artists impressions' may have intimated. Its just a road, always was, always will be, with more traffic lights than ever. TwoWheelsGood
  • Score: 2

7:22pm Mon 17 Mar 14

WYSIATI says...

TwoWheelsGood wrote:
49% is NOTa majority, unless you are N Korea or Herefordshire Council. I see the down-voting stooges have been here already - water off a ducks back for bobby47.
TWG - in a way it is not.

On the other hand no UK political party has won more than 49% of the vote in a UK general election since before 1960 but it never stops them claiming a majority and, certainly recently, riding roughshod over the lot of us. Tory 36.1% of the vote (23% of the registered voters, or 17% of the UK population) - and they get to fundamentally change the way the country is run! Who needs a majority?
[quote][p][bold]TwoWheelsGood[/bold] wrote: 49% is NOTa majority, unless you are N Korea or Herefordshire Council. I see the down-voting stooges have been here already - water off a ducks back for bobby47.[/p][/quote]TWG - in a way it is not. On the other hand no UK political party has won more than 49% of the vote in a UK general election since before 1960 but it never stops them claiming a majority and, certainly recently, riding roughshod over the lot of us. Tory 36.1% of the vote (23% of the registered voters, or 17% of the UK population) - and they get to fundamentally change the way the country is run! Who needs a majority? WYSIATI
  • Score: 3

7:50pm Mon 17 Mar 14

Anotherherefordian says...

littlewhitebull wrote:
herefordman99 wrote:
mizza21 wrote:
What happened to the shared space on Newmarket Street? I see blokes out there laying pavements but I thought we was having a boulevard not just a normal road. I was looking forward to getting my pavement cafe planning application into the council. One thing I hope comes of this is some investment into Hereford United. The Blackfriars end needs some love and god knows they could do with the money. Bobby, for clarity, how long is Debbo's free rent period? Why are the haulks salty by the way. The wife asked and I told her it's because of the seagulls, but what is the real reason?
The "attractive" white seagull poop style murals down the walls are due to the lime and other chemicals leaching from the cement. Over time it should clear. As for Newmarket Street, that will eventually be a single lane in each direction with pedestrianised areas in between. Most traffic is supposedly going to be sent along the new inner relief road that is supposed to come out by the old Rockfield site (once the compulsory purchases and legal wrangling is over)
Any idea why such 'leaching' occurred? I can't recall seeing so much 'leaching' in other new buildings. Possibly caused by the adverse weather conditions?
According to my husband who has worked on building sites, he believes it to be the frost over the winter penetrating the cement between the bricks...... Whether this is true or not, I do not know! Doesn't look attractive at all though......
[quote][p][bold]littlewhitebull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]herefordman99[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mizza21[/bold] wrote: What happened to the shared space on Newmarket Street? I see blokes out there laying pavements but I thought we was having a boulevard not just a normal road. I was looking forward to getting my pavement cafe planning application into the council. One thing I hope comes of this is some investment into Hereford United. The Blackfriars end needs some love and god knows they could do with the money. Bobby, for clarity, how long is Debbo's free rent period? Why are the haulks salty by the way. The wife asked and I told her it's because of the seagulls, but what is the real reason?[/p][/quote]The "attractive" white seagull poop style murals down the walls are due to the lime and other chemicals leaching from the cement. Over time it should clear. As for Newmarket Street, that will eventually be a single lane in each direction with pedestrianised areas in between. Most traffic is supposedly going to be sent along the new inner relief road that is supposed to come out by the old Rockfield site (once the compulsory purchases and legal wrangling is over)[/p][/quote]Any idea why such 'leaching' occurred? I can't recall seeing so much 'leaching' in other new buildings. Possibly caused by the adverse weather conditions?[/p][/quote]According to my husband who has worked on building sites, he believes it to be the frost over the winter penetrating the cement between the bricks...... Whether this is true or not, I do not know! Doesn't look attractive at all though...... Anotherherefordian
  • Score: -2

7:51pm Mon 17 Mar 14

Anotherherefordian says...

littlewhitebull wrote:
herefordman99 wrote:
mizza21 wrote:
What happened to the shared space on Newmarket Street? I see blokes out there laying pavements but I thought we was having a boulevard not just a normal road. I was looking forward to getting my pavement cafe planning application into the council. One thing I hope comes of this is some investment into Hereford United. The Blackfriars end needs some love and god knows they could do with the money. Bobby, for clarity, how long is Debbo's free rent period? Why are the haulks salty by the way. The wife asked and I told her it's because of the seagulls, but what is the real reason?
The "attractive" white seagull poop style murals down the walls are due to the lime and other chemicals leaching from the cement. Over time it should clear. As for Newmarket Street, that will eventually be a single lane in each direction with pedestrianised areas in between. Most traffic is supposedly going to be sent along the new inner relief road that is supposed to come out by the old Rockfield site (once the compulsory purchases and legal wrangling is over)
Any idea why such 'leaching' occurred? I can't recall seeing so much 'leaching' in other new buildings. Possibly caused by the adverse weather conditions?
My husband has mentioned that it's possibly due to the frost getting into the cement...... He has worked on building sites in the past whether this is true or not..... I have no idea! Doesn't look great for a new build anyway!!!!
[quote][p][bold]littlewhitebull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]herefordman99[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mizza21[/bold] wrote: What happened to the shared space on Newmarket Street? I see blokes out there laying pavements but I thought we was having a boulevard not just a normal road. I was looking forward to getting my pavement cafe planning application into the council. One thing I hope comes of this is some investment into Hereford United. The Blackfriars end needs some love and god knows they could do with the money. Bobby, for clarity, how long is Debbo's free rent period? Why are the haulks salty by the way. The wife asked and I told her it's because of the seagulls, but what is the real reason?[/p][/quote]The "attractive" white seagull poop style murals down the walls are due to the lime and other chemicals leaching from the cement. Over time it should clear. As for Newmarket Street, that will eventually be a single lane in each direction with pedestrianised areas in between. Most traffic is supposedly going to be sent along the new inner relief road that is supposed to come out by the old Rockfield site (once the compulsory purchases and legal wrangling is over)[/p][/quote]Any idea why such 'leaching' occurred? I can't recall seeing so much 'leaching' in other new buildings. Possibly caused by the adverse weather conditions?[/p][/quote]My husband has mentioned that it's possibly due to the frost getting into the cement...... He has worked on building sites in the past whether this is true or not..... I have no idea! Doesn't look great for a new build anyway!!!! Anotherherefordian
  • Score: -1

10:06pm Mon 17 Mar 14

RogerLFC says...

There will undoubtedly be a novelty factor when it opens but it seems to be selling clothes/food/coffee ... and showing a few films ... I've been able to do these things previously so it is not getting my juices flowing to be honest ... Plus I'm awaiting the parking feedback ... This Council seems intent on wringing every last penny out of parking ...
There will undoubtedly be a novelty factor when it opens but it seems to be selling clothes/food/coffee ... and showing a few films ... I've been able to do these things previously so it is not getting my juices flowing to be honest ... Plus I'm awaiting the parking feedback ... This Council seems intent on wringing every last penny out of parking ... RogerLFC
  • Score: 0

8:19am Tue 18 Mar 14

herefordman99 says...

mizza21 wrote:
Ah, I see. Thanks herefordman99. Bring on the shared space. I can't see it ever happening though. The units at the back of the railway station are all being cleared out. Just waiting for the post office to comply then they can build that shiny new road..
That all depends if the council can afford the legal battle with the post office and the police over the compulsory purchase orders on their property.....it could run for years, but then we are used to things taking a long time in this county.....
[quote][p][bold]mizza21[/bold] wrote: Ah, I see. Thanks herefordman99. Bring on the shared space. I can't see it ever happening though. The units at the back of the railway station are all being cleared out. Just waiting for the post office to comply then they can build that shiny new road..[/p][/quote]That all depends if the council can afford the legal battle with the post office and the police over the compulsory purchase orders on their property.....it could run for years, but then we are used to things taking a long time in this county..... herefordman99
  • Score: 1

9:12am Tue 18 Mar 14

borninhereford says...

I'd like to know who the 33% are, as I can guarantee you a majority of them will still go around the new place 'just to check what all the fuss is about'.

Instead of the constant moaning and criticism, let's embrace it and just try and be optimistic, I know that's a tall order to ask of Herefordians!
I'd like to know who the 33% are, as I can guarantee you a majority of them will still go around the new place 'just to check what all the fuss is about'. Instead of the constant moaning and criticism, let's embrace it and just try and be optimistic, I know that's a tall order to ask of Herefordians! borninhereford
  • Score: 13

9:27am Tue 18 Mar 14

mizza21 says...

Dippyhippy me old china.
This site is like stickin it to the man. I am uneasy about Hereford Voice. I know where I stand with the HT. If they don't like the thrust of what is said or you criticize them they'll delete your comment.

I am one of the 33%. I may go and nibble the titbits from Waitrose and watch fillums in the new Odeon but I will not be eating in Nando's or Frankie and Benny's because I have some standards.
I will also not buy clothes from H&M because of their policy on ethical sourcing.

No doubt the council will make it prohibitively expensive to park though. **** THEM
Dippyhippy me old china. This site is like stickin it to the man. I am uneasy about Hereford Voice. I know where I stand with the HT. If they don't like the thrust of what is said or you criticize them they'll delete your comment. I am one of the 33%. I may go and nibble the titbits from Waitrose and watch fillums in the new Odeon but I will not be eating in Nando's or Frankie and Benny's because I have some standards. I will also not buy clothes from H&M because of their policy on ethical sourcing. No doubt the council will make it prohibitively expensive to park though. **** THEM mizza21
  • Score: -3

10:36am Tue 18 Mar 14

robbo372 says...

Do any of the predictable whiners on here ever wonder why the youger generation can't wait to get out of the county?

We've been wanting a multi screen cinema since the nineties but it was never 'in keeping' with the city. Out of town (albeit only a few hundred metres out of town) shopping is so much easier and this way a lot of the independant shops can flourish in the high town as the larger shops move over the road.

It seems that some folk just don't like change and are happy to see the city stagnate...

... now all we need is a bypass.

BTW, salt / lime loss from new build brick properties is common ... it will soon wash away.
Do any of the predictable whiners on here ever wonder why the youger generation can't wait to get out of the county? We've been wanting a multi screen cinema since the nineties but it was never 'in keeping' with the city. Out of town (albeit only a few hundred metres out of town) shopping is so much easier and this way a lot of the independant shops can flourish in the high town as the larger shops move over the road. It seems that some folk just don't like change and are happy to see the city stagnate... ... now all we need is a bypass. BTW, salt / lime loss from new build brick properties is common ... it will soon wash away. robbo372
  • Score: 16

10:41am Tue 18 Mar 14

TwoWheelsGood says...

RogerLFC wrote:
There will undoubtedly be a novelty factor when it opens but it seems to be selling clothes/food/coffee ... and showing a few films ... I've been able to do these things previously so it is not getting my juices flowing to be honest ... Plus I'm awaiting the parking feedback ... This Council seems intent on wringing every last penny out of parking ...
The Council have already boasted that they'll be pulling £1m+ in parking charges off this development (the deal is they get the parking revenue). It'll be short stay, high cost, so them saying this parking will compensate for losing Merton Meadows is just nonsense.
[quote][p][bold]RogerLFC[/bold] wrote: There will undoubtedly be a novelty factor when it opens but it seems to be selling clothes/food/coffee ... and showing a few films ... I've been able to do these things previously so it is not getting my juices flowing to be honest ... Plus I'm awaiting the parking feedback ... This Council seems intent on wringing every last penny out of parking ...[/p][/quote]The Council have already boasted that they'll be pulling £1m+ in parking charges off this development (the deal is they get the parking revenue). It'll be short stay, high cost, so them saying this parking will compensate for losing Merton Meadows is just nonsense. TwoWheelsGood
  • Score: 1

12:14pm Tue 18 Mar 14

B the B says...

robbo372, you are so right but these moaners have nothing better to do than to slag everything off. They claim to be intelligent but I am waiting to see signs of this.
I agree also agree about the bypass, why we the only city/town/village on the A49 without one is beyond me. Too many NIMBY's.

This is the best thing that has happened in Hfd for years and yet people are just waiting in hope that it flops.
robbo372, you are so right but these moaners have nothing better to do than to slag everything off. They claim to be intelligent but I am waiting to see signs of this. I agree also agree about the bypass, why we the only city/town/village on the A49 without one is beyond me. Too many NIMBY's. This is the best thing that has happened in Hfd for years and yet people are just waiting in hope that it flops. B the B
  • Score: 9

12:34pm Tue 18 Mar 14

borninhereford says...

robbo372 wrote:
Do any of the predictable whiners on here ever wonder why the youger generation can't wait to get out of the county?

We've been wanting a multi screen cinema since the nineties but it was never 'in keeping' with the city. Out of town (albeit only a few hundred metres out of town) shopping is so much easier and this way a lot of the independant shops can flourish in the high town as the larger shops move over the road.

It seems that some folk just don't like change and are happy to see the city stagnate...

... now all we need is a bypass.

BTW, salt / lime loss from new build brick properties is common ... it will soon wash away.
110% agree, well said old boy!
[quote][p][bold]robbo372[/bold] wrote: Do any of the predictable whiners on here ever wonder why the youger generation can't wait to get out of the county? We've been wanting a multi screen cinema since the nineties but it was never 'in keeping' with the city. Out of town (albeit only a few hundred metres out of town) shopping is so much easier and this way a lot of the independant shops can flourish in the high town as the larger shops move over the road. It seems that some folk just don't like change and are happy to see the city stagnate... ... now all we need is a bypass. BTW, salt / lime loss from new build brick properties is common ... it will soon wash away.[/p][/quote]110% agree, well said old boy! borninhereford
  • Score: 8

12:55pm Tue 18 Mar 14

mizza21 says...

Read the Portas report. Do a bit of research. Get out into the real world. This development is old hat. Towns and cities are developing their historic centres. That which differentiates them from other places, not making themselves clones of other towns.

You are deluded if you think this is anything other than a future Maylord Orchards.
Maylord Orchards, constructed in the late 80s now houses discount retail chains. It will not be long before they move out and there are no tenants willing to pay the rents required to keep it going and then it will go bankrupt and eventually be pulled down.
The council originally got 24% of the rent and owned the freehold. They get around 10% now.
I give Maylords 10-15 years.

That's the life of retail developments. 30 - 40 years.
That is what you are looking at with the OLM too.

Such waste.
Read the Portas report. Do a bit of research. Get out into the real world. This development is old hat. Towns and cities are developing their historic centres. That which differentiates them from other places, not making themselves clones of other towns. You are deluded if you think this is anything other than a future Maylord Orchards. Maylord Orchards, constructed in the late 80s now houses discount retail chains. It will not be long before they move out and there are no tenants willing to pay the rents required to keep it going and then it will go bankrupt and eventually be pulled down. The council originally got 24% of the rent and owned the freehold. They get around 10% now. I give Maylords 10-15 years. That's the life of retail developments. 30 - 40 years. That is what you are looking at with the OLM too. Such waste. mizza21
  • Score: 0

2:01pm Tue 18 Mar 14

bobby47 says...

Yes, I moan. More than I should, but its only because I care for our future and I know that the economic model we are following is doomed to fail.
This is what I base my moaning on. Please read my view and simply accept that this is the way that I see the outcome of this development.
Our greatest asset is our youngsters. They are the ones who will contribute to any economy. In our case, our youngsters have been leaving our County for years simply because of straightforward economic factors.
Now and in the past our youngsters have left because the wages in our area of extremely low. This means that disposable income levels will be low. This means that every single trader, whether big or small, is affected by this economic reality.
Why is this? It's all relatively simple and straightforward. The day the M50 stopped at Ross-on-Wye was the day our future was shaped to be a 'low pay, cheap labour economic area'. This is the way it now is.
We have no infrastructure. This means that industry from outside the County does not settle and invest here. It's simply to difficult to make a profit. The consequence is that high tech industry that we look to to provide high paid wages do note even consider 'us' as a place to build business. They choose to go elsewhere.
The economic levers that have been pulled in the past and are being pulled now only serve to maintain low wages, low disposable income and cheap labour. The kids continue to leave Hereford and spend their education in an outside economy that is no benefit to us.
The reality is we are now an agricultural zone that is heavily dependent upon a cheap migrant work force that is highly expensive to maintain by the public service sector. This demographic also send a great deal of their income home which means that this money's not being recycled within our own economy.
This economic factor drives down wages, it consequently drives down disposable income levels, drives up rent charges and before long, you've got a disfunctional economic model that only hastens the departure of our kids who'll go elsewhere to earn a good wage and build a future in some other place that has infrastructure and is attractive to business investment. We haven't got these things and simply by building a new cinema and a few retail boxes isn't going to change a single thing. In fact, it worsens our predicament because any wealth created by this cinema and the new retail boxes will only result in us haemorrhaging more money from our fragile economy.
Quite simply, our wage levels are far to low to sustain this economic model that we are following and it is doomed to fail. It's unsustainable.
All that's been done is we've built another retail area with a Cinema in it. That's it. Nothing else. High Town has been abandoned and the jobs and wealth have moved across a road that ain't big enough or wide enough to cope with vehicles, cyclists and pedestrians.
We are very well equipped to pick fruit and process chicken but these two things are not going to keep our kids here. While our wages remain low our disposable income remains low and while we wait for Industry to come here our youngsters, our gold dust, will continue to go elsewhere and provide benefit to an outside economy.
This is why I object to this development.
Yes, I moan. More than I should, but its only because I care for our future and I know that the economic model we are following is doomed to fail. This is what I base my moaning on. Please read my view and simply accept that this is the way that I see the outcome of this development. Our greatest asset is our youngsters. They are the ones who will contribute to any economy. In our case, our youngsters have been leaving our County for years simply because of straightforward economic factors. Now and in the past our youngsters have left because the wages in our area of extremely low. This means that disposable income levels will be low. This means that every single trader, whether big or small, is affected by this economic reality. Why is this? It's all relatively simple and straightforward. The day the M50 stopped at Ross-on-Wye was the day our future was shaped to be a 'low pay, cheap labour economic area'. This is the way it now is. We have no infrastructure. This means that industry from outside the County does not settle and invest here. It's simply to difficult to make a profit. The consequence is that high tech industry that we look to to provide high paid wages do note even consider 'us' as a place to build business. They choose to go elsewhere. The economic levers that have been pulled in the past and are being pulled now only serve to maintain low wages, low disposable income and cheap labour. The kids continue to leave Hereford and spend their education in an outside economy that is no benefit to us. The reality is we are now an agricultural zone that is heavily dependent upon a cheap migrant work force that is highly expensive to maintain by the public service sector. This demographic also send a great deal of their income home which means that this money's not being recycled within our own economy. This economic factor drives down wages, it consequently drives down disposable income levels, drives up rent charges and before long, you've got a disfunctional economic model that only hastens the departure of our kids who'll go elsewhere to earn a good wage and build a future in some other place that has infrastructure and is attractive to business investment. We haven't got these things and simply by building a new cinema and a few retail boxes isn't going to change a single thing. In fact, it worsens our predicament because any wealth created by this cinema and the new retail boxes will only result in us haemorrhaging more money from our fragile economy. Quite simply, our wage levels are far to low to sustain this economic model that we are following and it is doomed to fail. It's unsustainable. All that's been done is we've built another retail area with a Cinema in it. That's it. Nothing else. High Town has been abandoned and the jobs and wealth have moved across a road that ain't big enough or wide enough to cope with vehicles, cyclists and pedestrians. We are very well equipped to pick fruit and process chicken but these two things are not going to keep our kids here. While our wages remain low our disposable income remains low and while we wait for Industry to come here our youngsters, our gold dust, will continue to go elsewhere and provide benefit to an outside economy. This is why I object to this development. bobby47
  • Score: 15

2:57pm Tue 18 Mar 14

bobby47 says...

Good Lord above. Barely an hour old and I'm hurtling downwards on minus bloody five. Well do your worst. I hope your finger rots and drops off!
Good Lord above. Barely an hour old and I'm hurtling downwards on minus bloody five. Well do your worst. I hope your finger rots and drops off! bobby47
  • Score: -2

3:22pm Tue 18 Mar 14

herefordman99 says...

robbo372 wrote:
Do any of the predictable whiners on here ever wonder why the youger generation can't wait to get out of the county? We've been wanting a multi screen cinema since the nineties but it was never 'in keeping' with the city. Out of town (albeit only a few hundred metres out of town) shopping is so much easier and this way a lot of the independant shops can flourish in the high town as the larger shops move over the road. It seems that some folk just don't like change and are happy to see the city stagnate... ... now all we need is a bypass. BTW, salt / lime loss from new build brick properties is common ... it will soon wash away.
...and of course with Belmont Golf Course closing one of the last hurdles to the council preferred Western relief road is now removed - let's see how long it takes to get that purchased.
[quote][p][bold]robbo372[/bold] wrote: Do any of the predictable whiners on here ever wonder why the youger generation can't wait to get out of the county? We've been wanting a multi screen cinema since the nineties but it was never 'in keeping' with the city. Out of town (albeit only a few hundred metres out of town) shopping is so much easier and this way a lot of the independant shops can flourish in the high town as the larger shops move over the road. It seems that some folk just don't like change and are happy to see the city stagnate... ... now all we need is a bypass. BTW, salt / lime loss from new build brick properties is common ... it will soon wash away.[/p][/quote]...and of course with Belmont Golf Course closing one of the last hurdles to the council preferred Western relief road is now removed - let's see how long it takes to get that purchased. herefordman99
  • Score: 1

4:41pm Tue 18 Mar 14

B the B says...

Moaning Mizza !
Get out of your bubble and turn the tape off of yourself and listen to others. Just except that there are folk who want it and think its good. Man you are depressing.
Moaning Mizza ! Get out of your bubble and turn the tape off of yourself and listen to others. Just except that there are folk who want it and think its good. Man you are depressing. B the B
  • Score: 2

11:16pm Tue 18 Mar 14

ad47uk says...

mizza21 wrote:
Read the Portas report. Do a bit of research. Get out into the real world. This development is old hat. Towns and cities are developing their historic centres. That which differentiates them from other places, not making themselves clones of other towns.

You are deluded if you think this is anything other than a future Maylord Orchards.
Maylord Orchards, constructed in the late 80s now houses discount retail chains. It will not be long before they move out and there are no tenants willing to pay the rents required to keep it going and then it will go bankrupt and eventually be pulled down.
The council originally got 24% of the rent and owned the freehold. They get around 10% now.
I give Maylords 10-15 years.

That's the life of retail developments. 30 - 40 years.
That is what you are looking at with the OLM too.

Such waste.
At least Maylords looks ok, it got a bit of style, the old market looks awful, who ever designed it should not bother with anything else.

I don't think they know what it should look like with a mix match of buildings.
Not against redevelopment, but I am against Hereford council giving away land for nothing and making this city like any other city.
As for why youngsters don't stay here, it is because there is nothing to stay here for, no jobs and what jobs are available are part time.

anyone who thinks a few shops are going to keep people here are deluded.
My nephew moved to Birmingham and he have no intention of coming back to Hereford.

Hereford is too big, to many people, to much traffic. i hate the place now and if I could afford to go I would.
[quote][p][bold]mizza21[/bold] wrote: Read the Portas report. Do a bit of research. Get out into the real world. This development is old hat. Towns and cities are developing their historic centres. That which differentiates them from other places, not making themselves clones of other towns. You are deluded if you think this is anything other than a future Maylord Orchards. Maylord Orchards, constructed in the late 80s now houses discount retail chains. It will not be long before they move out and there are no tenants willing to pay the rents required to keep it going and then it will go bankrupt and eventually be pulled down. The council originally got 24% of the rent and owned the freehold. They get around 10% now. I give Maylords 10-15 years. That's the life of retail developments. 30 - 40 years. That is what you are looking at with the OLM too. Such waste.[/p][/quote]At least Maylords looks ok, it got a bit of style, the old market looks awful, who ever designed it should not bother with anything else. I don't think they know what it should look like with a mix match of buildings. Not against redevelopment, but I am against Hereford council giving away land for nothing and making this city like any other city. As for why youngsters don't stay here, it is because there is nothing to stay here for, no jobs and what jobs are available are part time. anyone who thinks a few shops are going to keep people here are deluded. My nephew moved to Birmingham and he have no intention of coming back to Hereford. Hereford is too big, to many people, to much traffic. i hate the place now and if I could afford to go I would. ad47uk
  • Score: 5

11:20pm Tue 18 Mar 14

ad47uk says...

Well on my wages I can not afford to pay £11 for a burger from Frankie and Benny's and to be honest anyone who does must be crazy.
Well on my wages I can not afford to pay £11 for a burger from Frankie and Benny's and to be honest anyone who does must be crazy. ad47uk
  • Score: 2

10:41am Wed 19 Mar 14

herefordman99 says...

ad47uk wrote:
Well on my wages I can not afford to pay £11 for a burger from Frankie and Benny's and to be honest anyone who does must be crazy.
Seriously!?!?!??! £11 for a burger!!! What are they made from? Hand reared Aberdeen Angus??? I'd rather go to the nearest Toby for a carvery for £7!!
[quote][p][bold]ad47uk[/bold] wrote: Well on my wages I can not afford to pay £11 for a burger from Frankie and Benny's and to be honest anyone who does must be crazy.[/p][/quote]Seriously!?!?!??! £11 for a burger!!! What are they made from? Hand reared Aberdeen Angus??? I'd rather go to the nearest Toby for a carvery for £7!! herefordman99
  • Score: -2

11:47am Wed 19 Mar 14

mizza21 says...

B the B wrote:
Moaning Mizza !
Get out of your bubble and turn the tape off of yourself and listen to others. Just except that there are folk who want it and think its good. Man you are depressing.
Boring the Bored.
You have not addressed any of the points I raised.

I rest my case.
[quote][p][bold]B the B[/bold] wrote: Moaning Mizza ! Get out of your bubble and turn the tape off of yourself and listen to others. Just except that there are folk who want it and think its good. Man you are depressing.[/p][/quote]Boring the Bored. You have not addressed any of the points I raised. I rest my case. mizza21
  • Score: 0

5:50pm Wed 19 Mar 14

ConcernedofHereford says...

It's happening despite all the opposition (remember the 15,000 person petition that spawned a new political party?) but I for one will be amazed if Hereford can support a multi-plex cinema and SEVEN new restaurants!

If the numbers added up all these chains would have been in Hereford long ago. They are coming now because of massively subsidised rental holidays made possible by the ludicrously low price the Council extracted from the developers.
It's happening despite all the opposition (remember the 15,000 person petition that spawned a new political party?) but I for one will be amazed if Hereford can support a multi-plex cinema and SEVEN new restaurants! If the numbers added up all these chains would have been in Hereford long ago. They are coming now because of massively subsidised rental holidays made possible by the ludicrously low price the Council extracted from the developers. ConcernedofHereford
  • Score: 1

9:04pm Wed 19 Mar 14

ad47uk says...

herefordman99 wrote:
ad47uk wrote:
Well on my wages I can not afford to pay £11 for a burger from Frankie and Benny's and to be honest anyone who does must be crazy.
Seriously!?!?!??! £11 for a burger!!! What are they made from? Hand reared Aberdeen Angus??? I'd rather go to the nearest Toby for a carvery for £7!!
http://www.frankiean
dbennys.com/menu/mai
n
Click on Burgers on the the second column from the left.
I will stick with Spoons, just over a fiver for burger, chips and a coffee or pint.
No way would I pay a tenner for a Burger. i expect they wil have offers, but still. Nandos is just chicken, I have no idea what people see in that either.

The reason I doubt I will step foot into the centre is because there is nothing there that interest me.
[quote][p][bold]herefordman99[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ad47uk[/bold] wrote: Well on my wages I can not afford to pay £11 for a burger from Frankie and Benny's and to be honest anyone who does must be crazy.[/p][/quote]Seriously!?!?!??! £11 for a burger!!! What are they made from? Hand reared Aberdeen Angus??? I'd rather go to the nearest Toby for a carvery for £7!![/p][/quote]http://www.frankiean dbennys.com/menu/mai n Click on Burgers on the the second column from the left. I will stick with Spoons, just over a fiver for burger, chips and a coffee or pint. No way would I pay a tenner for a Burger. i expect they wil have offers, but still. Nandos is just chicken, I have no idea what people see in that either. The reason I doubt I will step foot into the centre is because there is nothing there that interest me. ad47uk
  • Score: 0

9:05pm Wed 19 Mar 14

borninhereford says...

ConcernedofHereford wrote:
It's happening despite all the opposition (remember the 15,000 person petition that spawned a new political party?) but I for one will be amazed if Hereford can support a multi-plex cinema and SEVEN new restaurants!

If the numbers added up all these chains would have been in Hereford long ago. They are coming now because of massively subsidised rental holidays made possible by the ludicrously low price the Council extracted from the developers.
Lets wait and see if your words prove fruitful, in my opinion I think it will be a roaring success. I am a young businessman in Hereford and when it comes to evening entrainment, where can I go? Nowhere! This cinema will be a great start, so what if it looks like other cities, Hereford has beautiful countryside, go look there! Trust me, an 'eyesoar' of a building is a much nicer welcome to Hereford than the old cattle market!!

Rant over! :-)
[quote][p][bold]ConcernedofHereford[/bold] wrote: It's happening despite all the opposition (remember the 15,000 person petition that spawned a new political party?) but I for one will be amazed if Hereford can support a multi-plex cinema and SEVEN new restaurants! If the numbers added up all these chains would have been in Hereford long ago. They are coming now because of massively subsidised rental holidays made possible by the ludicrously low price the Council extracted from the developers.[/p][/quote]Lets wait and see if your words prove fruitful, in my opinion I think it will be a roaring success. I am a young businessman in Hereford and when it comes to evening entrainment, where can I go? Nowhere! This cinema will be a great start, so what if it looks like other cities, Hereford has beautiful countryside, go look there! Trust me, an 'eyesoar' of a building is a much nicer welcome to Hereford than the old cattle market!! Rant over! :-) borninhereford
  • Score: 4

6:16am Thu 20 Mar 14

B the B says...

moaning mizza yes boring the bored, you guessed it. Bored of your self opinionated trash.
How can I comment as most of your post is telling everybody what to do, again. I am happy to accept that not everyone is in favour of this development but you seem unable to accept any other views than your own, I cant even be bothered to reply in full
moaning mizza yes boring the bored, you guessed it. Bored of your self opinionated trash. How can I comment as most of your post is telling everybody what to do, again. I am happy to accept that not everyone is in favour of this development but you seem unable to accept any other views than your own, I cant even be bothered to reply in full B the B
  • Score: 5

11:49pm Thu 20 Mar 14

William Rudd says...

bobby47 wrote:
Good Lord above. Barely an hour old and I'm hurtling downwards on minus bloody five. Well do your worst. I hope your finger rots and drops off!
The + & - are so easy to cheat Bobby.Just use your mobile phone and vote without logging in.You can be + 56 in a flash
[quote][p][bold]bobby47[/bold] wrote: Good Lord above. Barely an hour old and I'm hurtling downwards on minus bloody five. Well do your worst. I hope your finger rots and drops off![/p][/quote]The + & - are so easy to cheat Bobby.Just use your mobile phone and vote without logging in.You can be + 56 in a flash William Rudd
  • Score: -1

12:55am Fri 21 Mar 14

ConcernedofHereford says...

It would be far more useful if people restricted themselves to factual views. Rather than personal sniping!
It would be far more useful if people restricted themselves to factual views. Rather than personal sniping! ConcernedofHereford
  • Score: 3

6:06am Fri 21 Mar 14

B the B says...

ConcernedofHereford wrote:
It would be far more useful if people restricted themselves to factual views. Rather than personal sniping!
You are so right ConcernedofHereford, and I hold my hand up to falling to such a childish things. But sometimes I get fed when folk are shot for saying what they feel.
I am one of these people who can't wait for the opening of our new development, bring it on. and on a separate issue, I drove by Rotherwas yesterday and how nice was it to see new units being built.
[quote][p][bold]ConcernedofHereford[/bold] wrote: It would be far more useful if people restricted themselves to factual views. Rather than personal sniping![/p][/quote]You are so right ConcernedofHereford, and I hold my hand up to falling to such a childish things. But sometimes I get fed when folk are shot for saying what they feel. I am one of these people who can't wait for the opening of our new development, bring it on. and on a separate issue, I drove by Rotherwas yesterday and how nice was it to see new units being built. B the B
  • Score: 2

7:30pm Fri 21 Mar 14

saidflo says...

I agree the ugly mall does look marginally better than the neglected old cattle market buildings, especially from Blackfriars Street, where you don't see the backs of the buildings.
The chance to improve that area has been sadly missed in my opinion. We could have had something really special and different. The decision's taken for whatever reason. The council are responsible for the decisions and I suspect dodgy dealings somewhere. We are stuck for the next 20 or so years with more shops in soul-less, characterless shells. Those red brick shells are oozing messy white salts and looking old and decrepit already. Someone says earlier in the thread the salt leaching is common and will soon pass. I am no expert and am told it is due to a cheap sand being used (has a high salt content) and can cause damp too! Not brilliant if it's true! I have seen the bricks being cleaned off around four times up to now and I stay away from Newmarket Street. How long will someone be cleaning those bricks off?
Also, recently a promise was made to keep two lanes each side on Newmarket Street whilst the Boulevard was sculptured, to avoid the gridlock. How soon was that forgotten - last week I queued with everyone else and there was one lane only and it was our time wasted and our lungs full of a higher level of exhaust fumes. We all have to breathe this, even children walking home from school or sitting in the cars.
What are Herefordians getting out of this - a few shops, a better cinema and cafe/ take-aways plus more and more and more and more traffic. Not pleasant.
The rest of Hereford (apart from council offices) is fairly neglected and we have to put up with that. Worse than that are the funding cuts for vulnerable people happening now. This is my money being spent, my over £1,000 annual council tax and I am not happy with the mess and waste.
So I will continue whining about traffic light hell, wasted council tax and the gullible tory council cabinet ad infinitum, thanks.
I agree the ugly mall does look marginally better than the neglected old cattle market buildings, especially from Blackfriars Street, where you don't see the backs of the buildings. The chance to improve that area has been sadly missed in my opinion. We could have had something really special and different. The decision's taken for whatever reason. The council are responsible for the decisions and I suspect dodgy dealings somewhere. We are stuck for the next 20 or so years with more shops in soul-less, characterless shells. Those red brick shells are oozing messy white salts and looking old and decrepit already. Someone says earlier in the thread the salt leaching is common and will soon pass. I am no expert and am told it is due to a cheap sand being used (has a high salt content) and can cause damp too! Not brilliant if it's true! I have seen the bricks being cleaned off around four times up to now and I stay away from Newmarket Street. How long will someone be cleaning those bricks off? Also, recently a promise was made to keep two lanes each side on Newmarket Street whilst the Boulevard was sculptured, to avoid the gridlock. How soon was that forgotten - last week I queued with everyone else and there was one lane only and it was our time wasted and our lungs full of a higher level of exhaust fumes. We all have to breathe this, even children walking home from school or sitting in the cars. What are Herefordians getting out of this - a few shops, a better cinema and cafe/ take-aways plus more and more and more and more traffic. Not pleasant. The rest of Hereford (apart from council offices) is fairly neglected and we have to put up with that. Worse than that are the funding cuts for vulnerable people happening now. This is my money being spent, my over £1,000 annual council tax and I am not happy with the mess and waste. So I will continue whining about traffic light hell, wasted council tax and the gullible tory council cabinet ad infinitum, thanks. saidflo
  • Score: 2

6:23pm Sun 23 Mar 14

William Rudd says...

I am no expert and am told it is due to a cheap sand being used (has a high salt content) and can cause damp too!

Why not look up the actual facts regarding salt on brickwork.
Type in Primary efflorescence
I am no expert and am told it is due to a cheap sand being used (has a high salt content) and can cause damp too! Why not look up the actual facts regarding salt on brickwork. Type in Primary efflorescence William Rudd
  • Score: 0

2:00am Mon 24 Mar 14

saidflo says...

Thanks for the assistance William.
Thanks for the assistance William. saidflo
  • Score: 0

5:50pm Thu 3 Apr 14

Hereford Voice says...

I have heard from a very reliable source that the Old Market Shopping Centre will not be ready by the 17th and the opening has been delayed by 2 weeks!

The developers will have penalties of up to £60,000 per day.

Remember we're you heard it first!
I have heard from a very reliable source that the Old Market Shopping Centre will not be ready by the 17th and the opening has been delayed by 2 weeks! The developers will have penalties of up to £60,000 per day. Remember we're you heard it first! Hereford Voice
  • Score: 0

5:51pm Thu 3 Apr 14

Hereford Voice says...

I have heard from a very reliable source that the Old Market Shopping Centre will not be ready by the 17th and the opening has been delayed by 2 weeks!

The developers will have penalties of up to £60,000 per day.

Remember we're you heard it first! www.herefordvoice.co
.uk
I have heard from a very reliable source that the Old Market Shopping Centre will not be ready by the 17th and the opening has been delayed by 2 weeks! The developers will have penalties of up to £60,000 per day. Remember we're you heard it first! www.herefordvoice.co .uk Hereford Voice
  • Score: 0

12:21pm Fri 4 Apr 14

ad47uk says...

Hereford Voice wrote:
I have heard from a very reliable source that the Old Market Shopping Centre will not be ready by the 17th and the opening has been delayed by 2 weeks!

The developers will have penalties of up to £60,000 per day.

Remember we're you heard it first!
I will be surprised if it is not ready, mainly because they will not want to pay the penalties. but would anyone want to go shopping in a building site?
[quote][p][bold]Hereford Voice[/bold] wrote: I have heard from a very reliable source that the Old Market Shopping Centre will not be ready by the 17th and the opening has been delayed by 2 weeks! The developers will have penalties of up to £60,000 per day. Remember we're you heard it first![/p][/quote]I will be surprised if it is not ready, mainly because they will not want to pay the penalties. but would anyone want to go shopping in a building site? ad47uk
  • Score: 0

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